Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Appears that Covid vaccines are mandatory for sports in France, no exceptions.
So Novak won't be able to defend his French open title, Sagan might not attend Tour de France etc.

The only difference being that in the entire history of vaccines, no vaccine has been found to have side effects that show symptons that start two weeks from the vaccination date.

Not exactly true, dengvaxia being one, as you mentioned H1N1 also. The main reason the numbers are very low is because up to now we have had a very robust longterm structure around vaccine approval. There have been hundreds of vaccines that have never made it to market because of this.
It doesn't matter how much research you cram into a few months it doesn't allow to to manipulate time.
I'm also not sure how we can further collect useful data seeing as there is no longer a control group.

Guess that means 7 vs 7 in UCL matches for PSG, could be fun. Always thought they should reduce the number of players in overtime anyways :)

Sagan might not attend Tour de France etc.

Sagan has apparently been vaccinated since his run in with the police...

Not exactly true, dengvaxia being one, as you mentioned H1N1 also.

Not exactly true because I meant to type months and not weeks.

I'm not familiar with Dengvaxia, but I understand that the H1N1 vaccine encephalitis incident had onset of symptons of less than one week from the jab.

Ha, just found out that my wife has had the Dengvaxia vaccine. She had a bad case of Dengue in Nicaragua about 15 years ago so had to have the vaccine to protect against having the usually fatal haemorraghic edition of the illness if she catches it when she started working in Dengue risk areas again.

Heard a discussion about similar a few days ago. He believed that a large portion of those still not vaccinated but are elligable for vaccination were ppl who had allrdy had the virus and and not thought it worth to then also get vaccinated. Could be a pretty large group. Esp since we were first told it protected against future infections pretty well and it was almost unheard of ppl getting it twice.
If u have had it, how likely is it you will get it bad the 2nd time, i have not seen any numbers at all which i find unsatisfactory.

Lets say you are 20-50 years old. A total number of deaths in sweden for this age group amounts to 170 or similar. So u had it and suffered no long term effects, what are the dangers for you in contracting the virus again? The risk reward ratio is likely not all that good of an incentive but since i never saw any numbers on this i can only guess ofc. But if the risk is still big i would have thought that could be a good incentive to get a group of ppl onboard with the vaccination that perhaps had not yet come around to it. Esp now when it seems they are not protecting their old and frail to any major degree, without numbers why should they risk it?

I'm amazed I haven't bumped into all you public health experts in my office or on my teams calls.

We're out of the office buying freebie crisps from the general.

“Esp since we were first told it protected against future infections pretty well ”

who told you that? its well known that the other 4 circulating coronavirus’s /influenza’s/rhinovirus all have 8-36 month reinfection cycles (not always symptomatic)

Probably our department of health or similar at the time during questions session in press briefings.

Id say 8-36 month would fall under protection against future infection that can be considered to be pretty good. So dont even consider it all that much of a wrong even in hindsight esp since they likely thought this pandemic wouldent last this long at that point in time at least not with the continued severity.

would like to make it clear i’m not saying a covid infection offers 8-36 month protection from another infection.
Quite the contrary as there are plenty of studies showing one infection offers less protection than fully vaccinated.
My cousin has just had her second infection (fully vaccinated) as has her young daughter (unvaccinated).
i appreciate a sample of 2 does not constitute a peer reviewed study.

I did not think u were but perhaps someone else could so good to clarify.
Yes i heard of someone who got it twice within the same month verified who were vaccinated as well. But these are outliers ofc.

If the risk was bigger than how its perhaps percieved of not only getting it again but actually having a really poor experience the 2nd time around that could be a good way to get a group to become vaccinated. As i dont think that a large group of the remaining ppl are anti vaxxers per say. They just dont see the risk vs reward ratio in their favor or thats what i like to believe anyhow.

If we had numbers we would know and that was my point. I cant find data on this but perhaps just not good at finding this stuff.

Dom Cummings has a lot to fucking answer for.

Heard a discussion about similar a few days ago. He believed that a large portion of those still not vaccinated but are elligable for vaccination were ppl who had allrdy had the virus and and not thought it worth to then also get vaccinated.

I suspect a large number of unvaccinated are needlephobic. The only way I’ve been able to get through the injections without crippling panic attacks, is by telling myself that I need to be well for my kids.

Esp now when it seems they are not protecting their old and frail to any major degree, without numbers why should they risk it?

Risk what? Battling through your insistence upon txt spk I am bewildered about the 'risks' you refer to. Citation needed. And not just anecdata and 'a man talking bollocks on YouTube'. Proper data plz.

thats what i like to believe anyhow.

Aha. OK. Don't bother trying to answer that question. You're a believer.

Not trusting the government is different not believing the medical science.

https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1483156163999027207

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Fuck that tweet is badly worded. I read that like 5 times and then read the original, and then re-read it before I understood it. Even the original is a mess of confusing wording.

"Vaccinations proven to protect you from Long Covid" is a far better summary.

Ah very important point that tends to be overlooked too.
Someone in a podcast I like said that the images of huge syringes used all the time probably doesn't help people like you with phobia.

@badboybjorn of course the "I don't need the shot" people exist. Be it because they believe it's harmless for them, or because they think that they have good immunity from a previous infection.
But to be honest the majority of those might be what I consider antivaxxers.
At least my small sample group of (youngish) non vaccinated friends definitely use any excuse, and claim to have had it with minor problems.

Cycled past Downing St yesterday, and there were about 100 anti-vaxx arseholes protesting - is this something they do every day or just occasionally?

Yep I work just off Victoria Street on Saturday and there is a march every Saturday for the last few months

The workers in pret on the corner always get a harassed by the anti vaxxers for wearing a mask at work

Same. Even swapping lines 2 and 3 would have help prevent the "eh?"