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Aye also.

You thing the penny is dropping? Really?

@Greenbank @marcomarcos So the things that I have mentioned have not happened? OK the RNLI abuse is not covid related. But I feel it to be on a similar stupidity. But will not discuss it.

You thing the penny is dropping? Really?

I think they are starting to realise that governments and corporations are going to restrict them from doing some of the things they’d like to do. They aren’t particularly happy about it, obviously, but that’s a different matter.

Isolation protocols all working as intended, great job Boris

*Jam Jouvert is a music festival with 5000 people attending apparently.

Aye also.

"Aye aye"

Missed opportunity. I am disappoint.

As I've posted before, I got a positive test 14 days ago (20th). It was the day I was supposed to get my 2nd dose.

Govt guidance is to wait 28 days between a positive test and a 2nd dose. Any idea if this is a hard and fast rule or just guidance? Will they stop me getting the 2nd dose if I go to a walk in place?

Despite having a covid pass for natural immunity and France letting me into the country, the UK will require me (and my family) to isolate for 10 days upon my return, regardless of the potential rule changes coming this Thursday re: France.

If I get the second dose, that would mean no isolation upon return (assuming negative test to re-enter).

Not that it's worth anything here but the CDC recommend a 10 day period between positive test and any further dose.

I hope that you are right and fear the backlash of those being gaslighted in to vaccines are bad.

If you have to get a PCR test in France they are only €20!

So what is the deal returning from France on Eurostar for someone fully vacinated in the UK.

Is it isolate and day2 and day8 tests as from the eurostar website for France:
Amber list passengers

1. Book tests for day 2 and 8**

2. Complete a passenger locator form

3. Make plans to self-quarantine in private accommodation for 10 full days after arrival (or full duration of stay if less than 10 days)

Or is it from the french website here: https://uk.ambafrance.org/COVID-19-rules-for-travel-between-France-and-the-UK

1. Travelling from France to the UK
   
   

The UK has announced that, from 19 July (4.00 a.m.) onwards, anyone fully vaccinated in the UK is exempt from the requirement to quarantine if they are returning from amber-list countries.

EDIT: Just checked the GOV website:
If you’ve been in France
If you’ve been in France in the 10 days before you arrive in England, you must quarantine for 10 days after you arrive and take a COVID-19 test on or before day 2 and on or after day 8, even if you are fully vaccinated.

You must follow the guidance set out below in ‘How to quarantine if you are not fully vaccinated’.

It's not about the test. In order to return to the UK without quarantining the whole household, I need to have a 2nd jab

Ah, I miss understood. Suspect you may need to quarantine anyway, i don't know for sure just sorting the bits out now.

Will you have issues travelling in France if not double jabbed? As there are two differnet forms to fill in. One for the double jabbed and one for those not double jabbed. Think that the non double jabbed need a special reason to be able to travel.

Sorry to piss on your chips.

The definition of 'fully vaccinated' in France is either two doses or one dose and a positive test in the last 6 months. I would qualify in the latter category. That means I can travel to and around France with impunity.

As I've had a recent positive test, I also have a Covid Pass in the UK which allows me into venues like clubs, where 2 doses are required.

Unfortunately, it looks like, returning to the UK with a single vaccination means I would have to quarantine for 10 days even though it's highly likely the rules re: quarantining from France will change this Thursday. Anyone I travel with would have to do the same.

It's madness.

Technically, I think if we all drive there, spend two weeks there, then my wife / daughter fly back and I drive back, only I need to quarantine. It doesn't make any sense.

Yep, doesn't make any sense UK side. The French side I just read about the double jabbed. Just checked on the gov website, but seems just France is odd compared to others. Hope it does change, as you say.

You can get jabbed in France, well around south east/ south central Paris. But then will the UK recognise and how will you get the NHS to recognise the jab.

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-vaccine.aspx

If it's in the green book (it is) that's what they'll be doing at a local level I'm guessing.

I think it's highly unlikely that any state agency will actually check that you have quarantined.

Are you 'concerned' about vaccine 'passports' and the data collected?

Have been sent this article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/28/give-pause-before-you-raise-a-glass-to-prospect-of-vaccine-passports

Also from the british institute of human rights - https://www.bihr.org.uk/vaccine-passports-health-certificates-and-covid-certifications
Here from Liberty - https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/libertys-view-on-immunity-passports/

This NOT an anti vax thing, but can seen that way. Am more concerned about the data collection and what is done with it, and who has access to it.

Liberty/BIHR aren't so worried about data collection, for the most part they're worried about curtailment of "freedom" for people who don't want to be vaccinated. Given vaccination isn't a golden bullet for 100% immunity, how does anyone propose avoiding people who are anti-vax without some form of proof of vaccination? There's lots of discussion about avoiding a two-tier system for people who don't want to be vaccinated, but what about the rest of the population? Should they have their freedom curtailed for people who choose not to have a vaccine?

People with medical reasons not to have a vaccine I'm obviously fine with, and in an ideal world the rest of us would make up for those gaps but with the rampant fuckwittery around vaccinations, the majority of refusals are not for real medical reasons. Frankly, I'm far more concerned about the freedom of people who are already suffering mentally after 18 months of shielding and sheltering than I am of those who believe in fairy stories.

What's the solution if there's no verifiable proof of vaccination?

i think you still have to isolate with 2 jabs no? amber +.
My old man just had to isolate when visiting uk

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france

*Returning to the UK

France is on the amber list for entering England. From 19 July anyone arriving from France (including those transiting through France) to England must continue to quarantine for 10 days at home or in other accommodation, even if they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Check what you must do to enter England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.*

I’m pretty conflicted. It has some more complexity to that though. What if your type of vaccine isn’t recognised by a country?
We don’t discriminate on other vaccines.

Right now, yes.

All of the above is predicated on a strong rumour (ie leaks to the press), that France will move to normal amber in an announcement tomorrow.

In honesty, I don't think that it's a human right to be able to leave your country on holiday; moving back home from overseas is obviously a different matter obviously. Sooner or later though, I imagine most countries will reach agreement on COVID vaccination equivalency and people will move around relatively normally.

I have friends in Switzerland who only by chance of which vaccine they had can have their parents come help whilst they have their second child.

Ok. Just checking aware

I’ve got friends here who’ve had exceptions granted for family care (UK and US resident parents visiting). The process works pretty well all things considered. In honesty I’d prefer that than just saying “fuck it, who cares” and opening the borders like there’s no pandemic; we saw how well that worked last year.

So when if at all would you lift the requirement?