Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

It's also worth noting that the UK tests more than other countries on that list so it's likely other places are reporting fewer positive cases than the UK is. If you look at cases-per-test the story is different (although I wouldn't claim it's "more correct" - data can tell different stories depending on what you want that story to be).

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A bit more info on Long Covid. Estimated risk 2-5% as by their definition (after 12 weeks you still have symptoms that restrict day to day life) depending on age group.

I'm now double jabroneed, first bleeder of the day, being quite hungover didn't help the sitting in a warm room for 15 minutes.

14yo neice has the 'rona. She had her HPV vax and threw a temperature that night. Dad wrote it off as a reaction and she woke up with a sore throat. Dr said she had a throat infection, prescribed antibiotics and sent her for a PCR as a precaution. Result came back same day.

Really good breakdown of current data and trends.

Hoping we have broken the going to work/outside/pub with a cold/flu culture.

Heehee, jabroni

Holy shit! That case rise in Netherlands is insane! 800% in a week!

yeh my understanding is they basically did a few weeks ago what we are planning to do on the 19th but hopefully the great british common sense will not replicate that here

Brilliantly my wife has been pinged by the NHS app, wouldn't be a problem apart from the fact that we have a newborn, so that means we have to cancel a load of follow up baby appointments for a week. Annoyingly the only place she has been is to the NHS vaccination centre, so she must have got a contact there, which is slightly odd, as she was in and out in 25 mins, and said that the social distancing was always well maintained.

What happen if you get tested after getting vaccinated? would it show as positive for a short period of times?

Not sure on PCR, but she has had a negative Lateral Flow.

Look like no;

"Thus even though some vaccines are made with viral RNA or DNA, they won’t lead to a positive PCR test result. That’s because the small part of the pathogen’s genetic material contained within the vaccine cannot replicate and therefore cannot cause infection or trigger a positive PCR test result."

Brilliantly my wife has been pinged by the NHS app, wouldn't be a problem apart from the fact that we have a newborn, so that means we have to cancel a load of follow up baby appointments for a week.

You only *have* to isolate if you've been contacted by NHS T&T.

A ping from the app is just advisory although it does make sense to follow it too.

If you were minded to you could keep to yourselves for a couple of days and then all (or at least your wife) get a PCR test and then hole up again until you get the results of those.

(If I got a ping from the app I'd isolate, but that's because I've been to several pubs, played 5-a-side for an hour with 9 others, been to the gym/pool, the supermarket, etc all multiple times in the last few days, so I'd have no reason to doubt being pinged. I'd feel differently if the only place I'd been in 4 or 5 days was a vaccination clinic.)

Interesting, has forgotten it was advisory.

To be fair she had a C section 2 weeks ago, so wouldn’t be going out a lot anyway. She informed the healthcare visitor and they would prefer to postpone a week, which makes sense given their role.

I rode back home along Shaftesbury Avenue on Friday night, and if you'd told anyone there was a pandemic on, they wouldn't have believed you in a million years. Piles of drunk people swaying and pottering about, absolutely no distancing. It felt like two worlds--the polite, distanced world of on-line commentary and the real world, where most people seem to have made their decisions as to how to act a long time ago.

I'm just curious to see what happens with case rates over the next week or so. If we don't see a major spike in cases after all of the football "hospitality" then I will feel a lot more relaxed about the 19th.

Then again, what is happening in the Netherlands doesn't fill me with confidence.

I also saw that twice as many people are being hospitalised by Covid in the UK at the moment as were being hospitalised in July 2020...that quite an ominous sign.

Death rates are going up again, log plot of Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death (from here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths) shows a steady doubling although
a) at a longer doubling interval than the 1st wave (which was really sharp) and the 2nd wave
b) with more noise than before (although that tends to even itself out once the delayed reported deaths come in)

Really can't see how relaxing things on July 19th isn't going to result in 100+ deaths a day within 4-6 weeks.

No Euro in 2020 and it’s still the first proper lockdown too in July.

The assumed causal link between a positive test and death must be much fuzzier than it was pre-vaccine though.

They are re-adding restrictions again.

Vaccination rated are lower in NL ATM...but yes it's not a good sign for the 19th :/

It's worrying, we as a household can probably avoid it (NI schools closed here, double jabbed...) but I dread another avoidable huge peak, people getting sick thanks to government decisions,NHS overwhelmed again, long covid...for what? :(

Ingerlish common sense to prevail.....after yesterday?

Freedom Day parties all over. It's going to be carnage.

Lockdown august bank holiday ! Calling it !

Is there in history a tory PM who has never been a total disgrace?

No.