Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

my sister had a fever for one night, 12hrs after receiving the second jab

I was talking to a friend who works in public health for a local authority. She asks anyone that has had the vaccination to please Tweet/post on Facebook about it and any reaction as much as possible.

There is a lot of false information out there and they would like there to be more stories with actual experience which might be "had the jab, felt the same as usual" or "had the jab, felt rotten for 24 hours then normal" or whatever.

Good call. mrs-ru had the first Pfizer yesterday so will get her to post about it. (slightly sore arm, all otherwise fine).

Even if they tried to double the manufacture, they still need other elements of the supply chain, basics such as hundreds of millions of glass vials, to accelerate the distribution.

See also the special syringes that get the 6th dose out of the pfizer vials, but of which there is now (unsurprisingly) a worldwide shortage.

Other than UAE & Israel, I think the UK has the highest % of vaccinations so far?
And approx. 10% of all vaccines globally have been given in the UK.

There Covi-Vac being trialed, which is a single dose nasal spray type.
Different delivery methods will help, if we run into needle and vial shortages.

Also useful for distribution in areas with fewer/less well trained staff.

Which dose provides the auto upload to strava?

See also the special syringes that get the 6th dose out of the pfizer vials, but of which there is now (unsurprisingly) a worldwide shortage.

There was a good article about this in the Washington Post the other day. Will see if I can share it.

The third one.

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The scale of the logistics required blows my mind.
I mean, of course there are companies churning out hundreds of millions of syringes a year, but they will need to produce 15 billion more syringes ASAP on top of those required for other vaccines and medication.

The scale of landfill is the truly terrifying thing. Where does it all go?

What if this becomes an annual thing?

I know that your question is rhetorical but in the case of medical waste, it'll be incinerated.

Everything else will end up being shipped to Mauritania, dumped on the side of the road and then washed into the Atlantic. Ok, so I'm exaggerating there but I did recently learn that this does happen. Not with UK waste though.

Apparently 193.2 million doses of the flu vaccine was distributed in the US alone so far this season, if that provides any comparison?

Over 16 billion injections a year worldwide, though probably an outdated figure from Wikipedia.

Autoclave then landfill most likely.

2006 Ivory Coast toxic waste dump - Wikipedia

Of course it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharps_waste

Interesting that I used the wrong term...."incinerate". Hadn't appreciated that they use an autoclave.

Doesn't get reused like a Calpol syringe though.
I'm sure I have enough of those in my bathroom to solve the syringe shortage issues...

Ha - yes indeed.

I imagine/hope someone is inventing a vaccination gun that would work with these vaccines. Changes needle each time kind of like in a nail gun and the vaccinator has bandoliers of vaccine 'shells'.

But, for shits and giggles, let's consider the landfill size...

Stand back, I'm going to attempt some maths...

15 billion syringes worldwide. Let's ignore the packaging (that doesn't need to be considered as medical/sharps waste) and so we'll consider the average syringe to be about 10cc in total volume (for simplicity sake imagine a 10cm x 1cm x 1cm box).

So 15 billion of them will be 15,000,000,000 * 10 cubic centimeters = 150,000,000,000 cc.

A typical football pitch has an area of 7,140 m^2 (plucked from Wikipedia), let's round that up to 7,500 m^2 to make it easier. So that's an area of 7500 * 100 * 100 cm^2 = 75,000,000 cm^2.

150,000,000,000 / 75,000,000 = 150,000 / 75 = 2000 cm = 20m.

So 15 billion syringes with a volume of 10cc each would be a pile about the size of a football pitch and about 20m deep at best, more likely more than that as they won't stack perfectly.

That's not a huge landfill problem in of itself.

In reality the needle end of the syringe is likely to be detached (although that depends on the custom and practice in use at each individual location) and dealt with as sharps waste and the rest can be dealt with as non-sharps medical waste (hopefully steralised and recycled).

At the moment I am trying to understand or have explained to me, how the time between the (rdna) vaccine doses was calculate/decided/come to. It is my understanding that this time lag, even before human trials, was calculated in some way not just pulled out of the air without firm logic. Especially with the super no win no fee culture there is.

In answer to your second answer, I get that something is better than nothing. But as this is discussion I'm wondering how much of a window does it give us, or are we back to the tory plan of herd immunity and that horrible line of loved ones will die. Don't trust this government not to fuck/mis inform/lie/steal from the population over this.

Some smart people did it based on evidence and experience, I'm guessing they aimed for the minimum amount of time to get things rolling out as soon as possible.

So why are we going against the smart peoples advice? By smart, I mean the ones that developed this.

It would probably be worth reflecting on the fact that there are over 7 billion people on earth and as of yesterday, 68 million vaccine doses had been administered worldwide. That means anyone who has had a vaccine dose is in first 1% of the global population to do so. Pretty cool to be so lucky.

Am amazed how much the NHS has done to vaccinate people, to me, shows that NHS do it best. But I am biased as they have kept me alive.

Edit - reflecting on my comment, you can also argue they pretty unlucky to be Governed by this bunch of morons, but it's not looking that much rosier elsewhere in Europe.

It is what 'we' voted for, but I believe that this governance are out for themselves and their 'mates' and example is how the NHS are having money stolen from them for things like PPE.

Am amazed we are not calling for action to what is corruption.

I would quite like to be a Kiwi though.

Bloody socialist ;) But shows that there can be hope. The kind of democracy I want.

So why are we going against the smart peoples advice? By smart, I mean the ones that developed this.

Because other smart people - who are not the government - think it will save more lives.

This has been explained at least three times now.