Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

I think I agree with that (except for the bit about it being what the government are saying). But everyone should be aware (as you've stated) that this will result in people dying who would not have died otherwise.

Staying in lockdown will result in people dying who would not have died otherwise. That has the capacity for killing far more than 1% of the population if lockdown is enforced long enough for irreversible damage to be done to the economy. One is a virus, the other is mega-austerity. One is nature, the other is a political choice.

The Government has the unenviable task of choosing what to do and, effectively, which group of people die "early". There's no solution where no-one dies unnecessarily apart from a unicorn riding up to No 10 with instructions for a perfect vaccine around its neck.

The C4 series with Dr Xand is good (episode 1 is all that has been out so far) and covers this (not the unicorn):-

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/when-will-lockdown-end

There's already two tiers - vulnerable been told isolation for min 3 months, everyone else is distancing. Vulnerable could include eg 70+

How long till the Captain Tom milkshake duck moment?

Staying in lockdown will result in people dying who would not have died otherwise. That has the capacity for killing far more than 1% of the population if lockdown is enforced long enough for irreversible damage to be done to the economy. One is a virus, the other is mega-austerity. One is nature, the other is a political choice.

I agree entirely. My point wasn't that it shouldn't happen because of those deaths. Simply drawing attention to that fact that there will be deaths in response to some of the posts above that read a bit like "we can't risk any lives!".

Yeah I know - but I can say ‘fuck it - I’m going to work/pub/club/supermarket/gathering’ and I can’t really see how that could be prevented.

( I can’t go to work, I’m parenting)

Unless how a ‘by age’ thing would simply be advisory. I guess that’s it. My feeling is that it would mostly be ignored.

Yeah - like I said, logistically tough. There are different approaches, like you and hoefla have mentioned. If there's an app, I guess that could be used some how. But because it's hard doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

The mega austerity thing could of course be fixed by eating the rich, or at least sorting out the shit show of wealth inequality, and then making sure that actually necessary things, like feeding people and health, are prioritised as lockdown easing measures over wealth accumulation cunts who are currently worried about not accumulating quite as much wealth in the future, despite accumulating more than ever right now.

The mega austerity thing could of course be fixed by eating the rich,

They are kinda stringy tho

Who knows what will happen. Certainly no easy choices.
For me, lockdown is pretty easy. I have a garden, near the common, supplies of wine and homemade beer and sourdough. Oh, and I can work. I know that is super privileged.
My wife is also in the top risk group so if the kids and I start coming in and out as before, life is going to be far more complicated and potentially dangerous. But then her work will go under if things don't restart soon, so...
Dunno where I'm going with this really. I guess for my situation I'd prefer we stayed in as long as possible but completely get that is the polar opposite for many others.

I'm veegz, the plant based rich alternatives are actually quite palatable.

I think they'd be more likely to give you gout

I think they'd be more likely to give you gout

Reluctantly.

Cunts.

Sure but you can say that now, minus the pub and club. It can only be advisory I think, as a society we're not very good at actual being restricted and put on apps etc. As well as being advisory the important thing is also to have measures which allow those people to stay at home (not go to work, get deliveries etc).

It's the randomness of it that's scary though-my manager is younger than me, active and six weeks on she's still fuckoed even though her illness was quite mild at the time.

Anyway, my partner and I have somehow managed to catch it now despite covering our faces and being really careful.

She's worse than me so far but I definitely feel tightness in my chest and raspy lungs...

In some way it's a relief getting it over with I suppose-so long as I don't get flung in a plague pit that is.

I'm waiting for war crime evidence with bated breath

For sure, that's why I don't think a "just get on with it" thing is in any way a good idea, despite my reasonable odds.

Have we had the selenium link yet?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200429105907.htm

Legit?

Hope you both pull through ok :)

It's definitely not fun if you get a bad case, hope it won't go mess with your lungs too much.

This map of the spread of C-19 is revealing.

Fingers crossed for you both

Cheers. It's strange-can go from feeling ok to feeling a bit lightheaded and breathless and pain in the bottom of my rib cages so I guess that's me oxygen sacks. Not much of a cough so far but my partner's been hacking away and can't get off the sofa.

Going to get a good snooze tonight and see what tomorrow brings...

Cheers ears

Bugger. Hope you both have a relatively easy time with it.

I know the media and WHO keep saying immunity is uncertain but everything I've read says it's highly likely. Covid19 only has 1 surface antigen, the spike protein, which is highly conserved, and the virus as a whole is very stable with a low mutation rate. Nothing like flu or the cold. Plus people who had SARS or MERS keep immunity for years.🤞

One source : https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30788-1/fulltext