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• #2902
In about 20 years based on this
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• #2903
Sorry that was unintentional, I meant to post it as two bits of quote. I'll edit.
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• #2904
Hence the continuing need for electoral reform.
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• #2905
I don't know if Labour specifically are moaning. This is me reflecting on my feelings about this and other elections.
I couldn't vote for my party of choice, had to vote tactical. A different system is needed.
I wouldn't have a problem with any party majority if that was a true reflection of the ballot.
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• #2906
it still blows my mind that the media managed to convince a nation that a lifelong anti-war and anti-racism campaigner was a dangerous racist terrorist.
Just to preface my post, I firmly believe that JC was subject to a disproportionate right wing media onslaught. However....
- Under his leadership in conjunction with Momentum there have been a series of incidents of antisemitism. These were ignored, belittled, and to be blunt framed as a Jewish conspiracy.
- He has a clear history of sitting down with terrorist groups. These were often at wholely inappropriate times.
- He has been anti-NATO - our most important military alliance.
- He has been anti-EU - our most important regional political ally, in particular through a time when Russia has increased it's regional aggression.
This pattern of behavior is fundamental to his identity and his world view.
Honestly, he would never normally be my choice of PM from a national security POV. Personally though I view Johnson as a far, far greater security threat - but that doesn't evaporate my 4pts above. Also it doesn't diminish the reality that a huge section of the British public see Muslims as terrorists and JC as a friend of Muslims.
- Under his leadership in conjunction with Momentum there have been a series of incidents of antisemitism. These were ignored, belittled, and to be blunt framed as a Jewish conspiracy.
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• #2907
Hard to see as we haven't got an easy option to vote on it, but I'd guess most of the 57% who didn't vote Tory would be keen
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• #2908
Ha, no worries. I was angry with everything and everyone yesterday :/
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• #2909
Fair enough, but as Dov said, it failed miserably last time we had a shot at it. And the cold hard truth is that the 2 parties who can make it happen are the 2 that never will because it doesn't benefit them.
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• #2910
Perhaps more optimistically, when Brexit has become a non-issue, and the leader of the opposition hasn't been incessently villified by MSM as as Terrorist-Sympathising, anti-semitism enabling, Muslim-befriending Marxist.
The Tory party was a tool for people who had been sold and bought Brexit wholesale, regardless of where and how that was instilled. There will be a swing back to Labour when the stark and uncomfortable realities of Brexit, and the unwillingness of Tories to fulfill their promises of a "better future" becomes apparent.
The Labour party have a very promising and popular policy base, and speaking from the ground, there is a lot of optimism and willingness to learn from their many shortcomings this election.
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• #2911
I am sligthly confused by Corbynism, I keep reading this is a clear rejection of Corbynism which I don't understand. It is very clearly a rejection of Corbyn which is no surprise given everything I read everywhere says he went down terribly on the doorstep and his abysmal popularity rating (even if this is due to a malicous campaign against him in the MSM) but the policies were popular and polled well. I assume when people say Corbynism though they mean the policies and left wing shift from Tory-lite (centre right) but that feels like throwing out the baby with the bath water. It is not possible a more charisimatic, popular leader could sell the vision succesfully?
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• #2912
Have we had this yet? Hopefully clears things up for anyone who doesn't think Corbyn was the problem. It's very disappointing that he can't admit his own failure and is trying to pin it on Brexit.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-biggest-reason-voters-21092578
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• #2913
the 2 parties who can make it happen are the 2 that never will because it doesn't benefit them
This could be the entire argument. Politics shouldn't be about the benefit to the parties but to the people, who deserve fair representation.
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• #2914
I find the 'each of the policies polled well' the most frustrating defence. Of course people like the sound of standalone policies. But they didn't believe they could be delivered in aggregate and they didn't trust the person delivering them.
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• #2915
It was clearly a combination of him and Brexit from the people I spoke to on the doorsteps, and that was all over the Northwest and in London. I just hope we keep the economic policies as they went down really well.
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• #2916
No issue in terms of it’s happened?
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• #2917
All the recriminations and demands that all traces of Corbynism be ousted from as far as possible are to be expected, but they neglect the fact that Miliband was a disaster too.
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• #2918
New labours record did not help labour in this election either as NHS privatisation, tuition fees etc all started under them.
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• #2919
How much of this did you hear on the doorstep?
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• #2920
Quite a bit tbh, some recent Facebook posts had gone viral listing everything they had privatised etc, was difficult to argue against to be honest.
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• #2921
https://www.facebook.com/bryan.simpson.908/videos/10219180511761624/
Not much navel gazing went on in Glasgow last night...
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• #2922
Hey hey
Ho ho
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• #2923
FPTP is utterly crazy, are we every going to have a sensible system. Tories could be in for a long time now if they change the boundaries, Scotland becomes independent and they bring in I.D for voting.
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• #2924
Which parts?
A half-functioning opposition party would have wiped the floor with this Tory party.
I don’t accept that dysfunction in the opposition was caused by Corbyn. The party had problems. The left has problems. What were his standout poor decisions?
Brexit caused a fault line through everything. Labour failed to champion and realise progressive politics outside of the EU.
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• #2925
I suspect that she had a foot swell up after being on her feet all day.
Not at 08:32.
But also this:
I believe her explanations over the armchair diagnosis of dementia.
The ‘crazy’ narrative is really damaging though.
I agree people should be able to change their minds. But where is the democratic mandate for electoral reform?