General Election 2019

there must be some people who support Tories because they believe X policy will have a positive impact on Y

Yes of course.

I don't know many small c Conservatives - the ones I can think of don't have any rational other than identifying as conservative voters, with some sort of notion that they are better on the economy and societal values.

Most of the Tories I know are economic convertives with libertarian tendencies (in the British traditional rather than the new alt-righty US version).

They believe relatively low taxes and free markets owned by private enterprise creates the greatest wealth to society. They believe the Tories are best placed to do this. They also believe restricting the power of the state ensures the best protection to civil liberties.

Surely there is a @WillMelling wordcloud for that already?!

The first Labour campaign video is quite punchy as these things go; features Trump, Rees-Mogg, Philip Green and Murdoch as panto villains.

Waiting for the 'Classic Dom' counter-offerings with bated breath.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1189299448947585026

https://twitter.com/eff_hey/status/1189633809857351681

edit: why don't tweets embed

What's most annoying though is that the prediction of leftists ruining the economy would largely appear to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Could you provide evidence of this please?

Twitter is banning all political ads globally as of 22/11/19. Your move FB

https://twitter.com/jack/status/1189634360472829952

So they're campaigning for a second referendum?

"your move" is to feign and take their money

They can probably answer themselves, but it's likely to be a reference to market sentiment.

Given the background and some of the stated aims of the leadership, it isn't a stretch to think a Labour lead government would give markets concern.

The knock-on effect would likely be a devaluation of £ and in the worst case a downwards adjustment of our credit rating. Those two in conjunction with the almost certain huge ramp up in borrowing would compound the situation increasing the national debt.

The irony of all of this is, to date, I don't think any party has done more to devalue £ than the Tories.

I have always heard "labour = bad for industry etxc" and that "Tories = party of economic sensibles". And that labour spend loads and then the Tories make it all ok again.

I've read a couple of bits, from tax research uk, that suggest the savings and spendings and actualities if the economy show labour are better for the country.

But I would like to know if what in reading is a. Isolated opinion. I doubt it is.

Not sure this was thought through;
https://mobile.twitter.com/bathnesld/status/1189648562080112640

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lib dems name a second policy challenge

Fucking hell. That should be criminal offence.

dying that they can’t even win in their horrendously skewed push polls

it’s OK, I’m sure carole cadwalladr will be along any minute to debunk the dizinformataya... 😶

So I’ve done a bit more digging on it.
It seems that the “theory” is if the Seat was considered swing seat they could get more from the Tories than Labour voters. Which I guess the graphic supports with 8% still voting labour.

I think the theory generally stands up, I could see more moderate Tories voting Lib Dem than Labour Voters voting Lib Dem. this could ultimately be what gives the Tories a majority.

Is the party of Johnson the party which a moderate conservative would vote for? The expulsion of the 21 and the resignations of MPs ahead of the GE push the party ever to the right. LD’s could give these voters a home.

They can probably answer themselves, but it's likely to be a reference to market sentiment.

Yeah, that's basically it. @Chalfie I don't think that Labour would be inherently bad for the economy, but I've heard people (who I don't think are daft in general) say things like "If Corbyn gets in, the value of our investments/property/company will be wiped out!" My fear is that people like that will immediately panic in response to a Labour Government and that them preemptively "jumping ship" in one way or another would be interpreted as Labour actually damaging the economy.

Banks most fear the Brexit party’s potential impact on the economy

If Corbyn gets in, the value of our investments/property/company will be wiped out!

I've heard loads of people say that. But I've not heard anyone conversationally say things like 'since May got in, the cost to my business of buying stuff from Europe of has skyrocketed, maintaining a massive inventory stockpile is crippling and the costs of delaying investment is now materially affecting my competitiveness'.

I get media bias, but it's still really odd, the economy has actually, wilfully been driven down the past few years and yet people parrot that that's still better than being under a Labour govt.

and yet people parrot that that's still better than being under a Labour govt.

They "remember the 70s" apparently.

Yes -that's exactly it.

Something about binmen going on strike and graves not getting dug.

For a few weeks. 40 years ago.

A children’s book about food banks is a grim sign of our failure as a society

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/30/food-banks-childrens-books-britain-hungry-election?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

I think there's also some (possibly partially valid) stuff about just how shit British industry was and the need for reform, which of course went way too far and had far-reaching and (possibly) unforeseen consequences.

If the various governments had their act together then perhaps manufacturing wouldn't have been so hard hit in the North and the power shift wouldn't have shifted so much to the South East with financial and other services.

Germany is a superb demonstration of how to do it right, with focus on creating manufacturing jobs in the regions since WW2.

Yep, the '70s are always remembered by Tories, Tory voters and Paul Dacre as a labour disaster, but conveniently forget the 3-day week, (homework by candlelight), as Heath failed to address the problems caused by the (crude) oil price hike surging through the economy.
I also remember Thatchers two recessions, mortgage rate at 15%, Black Wednesday, Osbourne driving the UK economy into a ditch, and we have yet to see how much the Tory regimes from 2010 onwards have added to the National Debt.