General Election 2019

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  • Why do you think he wants no deal and what are his motives /reasons behind it?

  • As I said, I think he envisages a low-tax, deregulated economy and that's not possible in the EU or with any close relationship with the EU. Hence him cozying up to Trump. He just wants free reign for business to do what it likes.

    I don't think he particularly needs the money that he gets from the EU (it's ~£72k isn't it?), reckon he could earn more lobbying in the US or something like that.

    Pretty much just speculation though, we're never going to know what he really wants.

  • Thanks for that! Do you have any examples of how less regulations around business will benefit him?

  • Personally I don't think it will benefit him hugely (other than some hefty consultancy fees for a bit of glad-handing which aren't to be sniffed at). He just likes the idea of it.

  • No concrete examples, but he used to work in banking/commodities trading, where you can imagine regulations were something of a roadblock to him making (even more?) money

  • That's a fairly common theme isn't it i.e., some sort of involvement in financial services. It's certainly true of Rees-Mogg, Hannan and Farage (and many other brexiteers too I'm sure). I think their experience has led them to genuinely believe that what they feel is good for the sector they know i.e., more deregulation so they can make more cash, is good for the country as a whole. It's often speculated that conservatism often stems from a fundamental lack of empathy since they seem unable to put themselves in others' shoes and always think that the way the world works for them is the way it works for everyone else.

  • Personally I don't think he'll go away if/when we have a withdrawal agreement and Brexit is 'done'. He'll continue to be called upon to give comment for the next 10 years about any discussion on new arrangements/trade deals etcetc as 'the man who made Brexit happen'.

  • The UK since 1945


    Things that have happened under a Labour / New Labour government

    Mismanaging the marshall plan money
    Union power
    The NHS
    Criminalisation of Young People
    Dismantling of the legal system
    Increase of erroneous state power/civil liberties
    Tuition fees
    Iraq War
    Afghanistan

    Things that have happened under a Conservative government

    Hillsboro
    The Miners Strikes
    Unemployment
    The EU
    Moar dismantling of the legal system
    Pron database
    GCHQ spying
    Poll Tax (almost)
    Suez
    Tuition fees (increasing them to £3,000)
    Gulf War
    Section 28
    Stop and Search
    Education Maintenance Allowance scrapped (England)

    and not to leave the lib dems out

    Things that have happened under a coalition government

    Tuition fees (increasing them to £9,000)

  • Johnson's overwhelming goal is to be prime minister for more than six months, preferably for more than six years. To get his last minute deal with EU he had to betray both the DUP and ultra hard Brexiteers including ERG. The DUP betrayal was immediately obvious. It was obvious to Farage as well but it has taken him a week or so to work out what to do about it. I'm not sure if Francois has yet realized the trap set for the ERG.

    I suppose we have to thank Farage for exposing the internal contradictions of the sad farce that is the Brexit project.

  • I disagree on the ERG - bear in mind that Johnson had specified that applying for an extension to transition was reserved to the executive, and could not and would not be something that parliament could inform or perform.

    = his unamended WAB guaranteed a no-deal at the end of 2020, which is why the ERG supported him.

    He called the election as he knew his WAB would pass, but with the transition part amended, which meant that he'd be compelled to request an extension in May next year - anathema to the ERG as they know we'd likely be in transition for 7-10 years.

  • = his unamended WAB guaranteed a no-deal at the end of 2020, which is why the ERG supported him.

    Or he wants the No Deal lever available to intimidate MPs into doing what he wants again. When trying to get an MP to sign up to Brexit there are no carrots and only the one stick.

  • Tuition fees came in under the Labour government mid naughties.
    I understand frustrations at the Lib Dems but it seems ridiculous to put so much blame with them.

    Also missing at least three wars on the lists.

  • Student loans came in under the Tories.

  • The maintenance grant, who took that away from 16-18 year olds?

    Stop and search. Who that?

  • Fees came in in 1998, Labour.
    Went up to £3k in 2006, Labour.
    Went up to £9k in 2010, Conservatives and Lib Dems

  • Fees came in in 1998, New Labour.
    Went up to £3k in 2006, New Labour.
    Went up to £9k in 2010, Conservatives and Lib Dems

    Fixed. (I do think that's important.)

  • I think I’d confused the first with the increase. Either way not the sole responsibility of the Tories and or Lib Dems

  • Shrug. That wasn't the name on the ballot sheet. I could've said Blair.
    The list above doesn't differentiate.

  • List edited.

  • What about Northern Ireland. Who are blaming for that?
    The Falklands was definitely a Tory thing.
    Pissing the North sea oil away?
    Beanfield?
    Joining the EU?
    Cyprus?
    Winning the world cup?

  • iraq war
    poll tax riots
    2011 riots
    1981 riots
    removal of sugar from dr pepper
    sending vans round london with 'immigrants go home' painted on
    cat bin lady

  • School milk.

  • bloody sunday
    black hole of calcutta
    covert funding of mussolini
    the queen doing nazi salutes
    selling weapons to tinpot dictators
    5p carrier bags
    gift aid

  • forgot we were doing post-1945 soz

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