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• #127
As I said, I think he envisages a low-tax, deregulated economy and that's not possible in the EU or with any close relationship with the EU. Hence him cozying up to Trump. He just wants free reign for business to do what it likes.
I don't think he particularly needs the money that he gets from the EU (it's ~£72k isn't it?), reckon he could earn more lobbying in the US or something like that.
Pretty much just speculation though, we're never going to know what he really wants.
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• #128
Thanks for that! Do you have any examples of how less regulations around business will benefit him?
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• #129
Personally I don't think it will benefit him hugely (other than some hefty consultancy fees for a bit of glad-handing which aren't to be sniffed at). He just likes the idea of it.
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• #130
No concrete examples, but he used to work in banking/commodities trading, where you can imagine regulations were something of a roadblock to him making (even more?) money
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• #131
That's a fairly common theme isn't it i.e., some sort of involvement in financial services. It's certainly true of Rees-Mogg, Hannan and Farage (and many other brexiteers too I'm sure). I think their experience has led them to genuinely believe that what they feel is good for the sector they know i.e., more deregulation so they can make more cash, is good for the country as a whole. It's often speculated that conservatism often stems from a fundamental lack of empathy since they seem unable to put themselves in others' shoes and always think that the way the world works for them is the way it works for everyone else.
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• #132
Personally I don't think he'll go away if/when we have a withdrawal agreement and Brexit is 'done'. He'll continue to be called upon to give comment for the next 10 years about any discussion on new arrangements/trade deals etcetc as 'the man who made Brexit happen'.
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• #133
The UK since 1945
Things that have happened under a Labour / New Labour government
Mismanaging the marshall plan money
Union power
The NHS
Criminalisation of Young People
Dismantling of the legal system
Increase of erroneous state power/civil liberties
Tuition fees
Iraq War
AfghanistanThings that have happened under a Conservative government
Hillsboro
The Miners Strikes
Unemployment
The EU
Moar dismantling of the legal system
Pron database
GCHQ spying
Poll Tax (almost)
Suez
Tuition fees (increasing them to £3,000)
Gulf War
Section 28
Stop and Search
Education Maintenance Allowance scrapped (England)and not to leave the lib dems out
Things that have happened under a coalition government
Tuition fees (increasing them to £9,000)
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• #134
Johnson's overwhelming goal is to be prime minister for more than six months, preferably for more than six years. To get his last minute deal with EU he had to betray both the DUP and ultra hard Brexiteers including ERG. The DUP betrayal was immediately obvious. It was obvious to Farage as well but it has taken him a week or so to work out what to do about it. I'm not sure if Francois has yet realized the trap set for the ERG.
I suppose we have to thank Farage for exposing the internal contradictions of the sad farce that is the Brexit project.
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• #135
I disagree on the ERG - bear in mind that Johnson had specified that applying for an extension to transition was reserved to the executive, and could not and would not be something that parliament could inform or perform.
= his unamended WAB guaranteed a no-deal at the end of 2020, which is why the ERG supported him.
He called the election as he knew his WAB would pass, but with the transition part amended, which meant that he'd be compelled to request an extension in May next year - anathema to the ERG as they know we'd likely be in transition for 7-10 years.
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• #136
= his unamended WAB guaranteed a no-deal at the end of 2020, which is why the ERG supported him.
Or he wants the No Deal lever available to intimidate MPs into doing what he wants again. When trying to get an MP to sign up to Brexit there are no carrots and only the one stick.
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• #137
Tuition fees came in under the Labour government mid naughties.
I understand frustrations at the Lib Dems but it seems ridiculous to put so much blame with them.Also missing at least three wars on the lists.
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• #138
Student loans came in under the Tories.
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• #139
The maintenance grant, who took that away from 16-18 year olds?
Stop and search. Who that?
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• #141
Fees came in in 1998, Labour.
Went up to £3k in 2006, Labour.
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• #142
Fees came in in 1998, New Labour.
Went up to £3k in 2006, New Labour.
Went up to £9k in 2010, Conservatives and Lib DemsFixed. (I do think that's important.)
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• #143
I think I’d confused the first with the increase. Either way not the sole responsibility of the Tories and or Lib Dems
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• #144
Shrug. That wasn't the name on the ballot sheet. I could've said Blair.
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• #145
List edited.
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• #146
What about Northern Ireland. Who are blaming for that?
The Falklands was definitely a Tory thing.
Pissing the North sea oil away?
Beanfield?
Joining the EU?
Cyprus?
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• #147
iraq war
poll tax riots
2011 riots
1981 riots
removal of sugar from dr pepper
sending vans round london with 'immigrants go home' painted on
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• #148
School milk.
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• #149
bloody sunday
black hole of calcutta
covert funding of mussolini
the queen doing nazi salutes
selling weapons to tinpot dictators
5p carrier bags
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• #150
forgot we were doing post-1945 soz
Why do you think he wants no deal and what are his motives /reasons behind it?