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• #352
If that market weren't so corrupt that it's meaningless, it might make some sense.
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• #353
Wouldn't it be nice if companies actually aimed to be carbon neutral, instead of just hiding the problems or pushing them onto some other country? Ah, we can but dream.
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• #354
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• #355
Part of the idea of carbon credits is that they apply financial pressure towards carbon neutrality, by being more expensive than emission-reducing measures.
I think you may be confusing them with personal carbon offsetting.
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• #356
Are Brewdog particularly worse than other brewers/pubcos or is it that they promised to be better?
There always seems to be horrendous stories about tied pubs being screwed over by breweries across a wide range of pubcos.
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• #357
I think carbon offsetting can be ok, if you're doing it on top of your plan to be carbon neutral and then complete that plan. However, if you're doing it whilst making no effort to actually reduce your emissions, then you've pretty much abdicated all responsibility.
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• #358
It's basically the same thing though - buying the ability to say "we're carbon neutral"
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• #359
if you're doing it whilst making no effort to actually reduce your emissions, then you've pretty much abdicated all responsibility.
This is what I assume the majority are doing. It's a PR stunt, not in any way trying to actually make a positive change. How many of the schemes do anything useful?
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• #360
Can you do some basic reading before commenting further please?
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• #361
I read your comment, does that count?
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• #362
FYI when someone wants to prove a point or highlight some form of knowledge, they share some actual information. Just telling people to "go do some reading" is about as useful as tits on a bull. If you've something useful to contribute on the topic, try again.
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• #363
First fucking hit on "carbon neutral scheme effectiveness"
"The biggest problem with carbon offsetting is that it doesn’t really work"
"BrewDog has committed to going beyond net zero and claims to be doing so at present by buying carbon credits from the Nature Conservancy in Canada. Logically, it should now be buying more carbon credits to compensate for its work at Kinrara until that achieves net zero. BrewDog’s intention appears to have been to use carbon credits from Kinrara to replace those it had purchased in Canada: that now seems a long way off.
Recent revelations have cast doubt on these schemes. In January, a high-profile investigation by the Guardian, German newspaper Die Zeit, and journalism nonprofit SourceMaterial asserted that over 90 percent of rainforest carbon credits issued by Verra, the world’s leading carbon credit certifier, claimed reductions in deforestation that didn’t actually exist. As a result, they said, the credits were “worthless,” provoking painstaking rebuttals from the industry.
One large forestry corporation, which spoke to us on condition of anonymity, said it was considering developing a REDD-conforming carbon credit project on a piece of land it owned, but had never planted or logged. It was just sitting there, they said, and they realized they could get paid to keep doing what they’d been doing already.
https://www.vox.com/23817575/carbon-offsets-credits-financialization-ecologi-solutions-scam
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• #364
They're not sponsoring the RNC, they're partnering with the host committee who organise the event on behalf of the host city. It's a non partisan committee which is basically a big city PR machine.
Conventions are massive money generators for host cities in the states, they're basically big festivals for them. Same thing happens at the DNC. You can still not like it but they're not sponsoring the RNC.
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• #366
I listened to a interesting podcast about brewdog and its so-called punk ethos. It could have been this one from last year:
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• #367
I think the reason that Brewdog are scrutinised more than other breweries (and rightly so) is because they've always claimed to be so 'punk' and anti-establishment, but they've proven themselves to be generally pretty shit. Shame, because they make a few decent beers.
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• #368
Shame, because they make a few decent beers
I will be sneered at for saying I quite like Punk IPA, but agree. Note that Lidl have a range of breathtakingly brazen knock-offs of Punk/Dead Pony etc which are very good approximations, and you probably really piss off that sleazy Falkirker every time you drink them.
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• #369
That LIDL or ALDI? thing was almost a collab. BD went and copied LIDL/ALDI designs for one of their beers
It was a collab
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• #370
Oh right, seems it's still going - my mate served some up at the weekend.
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• #371
Tell us what the Milwaukee Committee was previously called?
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• #372
I'm not denying that the committee is there to organise the hosting of the event. The mayor is a lifelong Democrat, is on the committee and lobbied to get the event in milwaukee because of the economic boosts they bring.
I just think it's funny thay people are losing their shit over drinks companies wanting to peddle their wares at the event.
Are fever tree to guardian readers now what bud light was to MAGA hats?
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• #373
I enjoyed learning a small amount more about carbon trading through this article
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• #374
Wasn't expecting to add Colman's Mustard to the verboten list:
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• #375
As per BBC R4 PM this evening, Jamie Colman deigned to be part of the Makin review.
Anyone thinking that "buying carbon credits" to make some process carbon negative is mad.