General Election June 2017

Here you go, cupcake :)

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I've done voluntary practical conservation work on the outer west London urban fringe,
on & off, for 30 years. This time of year, with birds nesting, we often do path & bridleway clearance. Never once has a horse owner come out to join us.

Local woods have a perimeter bridlepath. It is over used by horse riders through the Winter, leaving it resembling an up to 10 metre wide recreation of the Somme.

I'll pass thanks, I've said my piece. Enjoy your thread you tiresome cunt.

So you'll shut up now? thanks x

No, I'll just keep yapping on here

Not for much longer though...sovereignty's coming home!

#takebackcontrol

I think they are starting to realise the effect of a lack of strong and stable leadership on how people vote.

Sovereignty AND Football are BOTH coming home? You lot must be so excited.

You lot must be so excited

Bit racist.

Nah I'm decidedly neutral until I get passport 2 later this year. I might end up with dual fascist nationalities. What a time to be alive.

Win / win!

That worked well in 2015 didn't it?

Sovereignty AND Football are BOTH coming home? You lot must be so excited.

I thought you supported Spurs.

Football, as a game, is great. As a business and industry, it's shit and I'm very out. I'm taking my next generation out with me too. They won't miss us.

So you have a problem with being told what to do, even though you agree with what you're being told.

Just because it's people in London telling you.

This sentiment is the basis of the Leave vote and of Trump's victory - taking back control from horrid, faceless people who live somewhere else.

It's the saddest, most emotionally exhausting kind of unconsidered prejudice I can think of. Can you try to take a step back and think in through, please?

On the fox hunting thing:

It's not 'people in London' who object to fox hunting, it's the overwhelming majority of the country, including the countryside.

The defense that foxes need killing so they don't kill livestock is an economic one, nothing else, and it's a reasonable one in a society that farms animals. But you can trap or shoot foxes very easily. All your neighbours want is to continue their hobby.

Their hobby absolutely is in the same league as dog and cock fighting. It's just the more upmarket version. The fact that dog and cock fighting were banned ages ago but fox hunting wasn't is indicative of how this country puts the interests of the rich above the interests of the poor.

Take away your incorrect prejudices about who made the rule and it's pretty indefensible as a hobby. I like racing cars, but that too is indefensible from an environmental point of view. The motor racing industry is moving to more efficient engines and electric motors, with a little bit of whinging but with the self awareness and understanding to do it voluntarily before it's forced on them and to restructure what they do to save the industry. Fox hunters wouldn't compromise so the ban was forced on them. If they'd given a little and tried to understand they were in the minority in their view things might be different.

You can't let people decide their own moral standards, it has to be the majority view that rules.

That was long. I should go to bed.

Typical bedwetting spurs fan.....

(Completely get you on this. There's so much wrong with sport...)

I thought you supported Spurs.

San Antonio Spurs?

Back on topic the betting markets showing some interesting GE numbers

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So that's how he wound up being a Spud! Amazing...

What are the polls saying? Another shock result?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/05/jeremy-corbyn-blame-meltdown-labour-leader

On the basis that the betting markets have been better indicators of results than opinion polls, that makes very disconcerting reading.

A government elected on a few slogans and no policy given an overwhelming majority, effectively takes Parliament out of the equation f

As a considerable amount of the work that will need to be done over the next five years involves constitutional reform in order to take over the functions currently undertaken by EU, we can expect that these functions will rest, in the future, with the executive. This election will be a significant erosion of democracy and the creation of a Westminister based bureaucracy which will take over control from the EU.

Not good.

This election will be a significant erosion of democracy and the creation of a Westminister based bureaucracy which will take over control from the EU.

Not good.

How can this message be disseminated and understood more widely? It's really key.

So the vote in the locals was a pretty equal split: 45% Tory&UKIP, 45% Labour&LibDem.

All that needs to happen is they get together and agree to only stand one candidate between them everywhere.

Imagine if Corbyn sorted that, he'd go down in history. Can someone tell him?

Try telling (let's estimate) a third of your candidates (many of whom are likely to be sitting MPs) that they're off the ticket. Labour - not just Corbyn - has to decide on such a thing. The PLP said long ago they won't take part in any electoral alliance.

Fuck me I wish they would.