General Election June 2017

This is what my Politics students said after I showed them that video with the Corbyn policies being explained to voters in Guildford, who thought they were great until they found out whose they were.

If Labour had a more media friendly leader, they'd be miles ahead in the polls.

Ha, Jon Woodcock is my wife's ex boyfriend.

Interesting that whispers are now suggesting that, win or lose, May is out.

Not surprising but it does make one fear that she could be replaced by someone even worse if she wins. That would be truly scary.

Who the fuck is left once she shits off?

I've heard that the Conservative manifesto was compiled with very little consultation from either ministers or departments, and mainly by Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy, whose relationships with other Cabinet ministers are often a little frosty.

Seems like she's trodden on quite a few toes and made a few enemies, so I can fully believe that she is out if she hasn't succeeded - which might also mean failed to secure a big enough majority.

... adamantly against JC since day one. As far as I can tell, it is because he is "unelectable" ...

This attitude is wholly without integrity for me: power at any cost.

Blair and the New Labour project were a success in this regard, but did so by betraying everything that Labour should stand for.

Better principled opposition, than immoral government.

Better principled opposition, than immoral government.

But better morally flawed government than futile quests for perfection, IMO.

Blair's government did quite a lot of good - minimum wage for a start - despite its repudiation of socialist ideology: it didn't go far enough; it shouldn't have expanded PFI programmes; it's been overshadowed by the legacy of war in Iraq, but I could never say that I'd prefer Major to have won a majority in 1997.

B3ta have been busy...

https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/toriesout
And
http://b3ta.com/challenge/antitory2017/

I do quite like this one:

That terrible cunt Rod Liddle thinks the Tories have fucked it up;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/this-is-the-worst-tory-election-campaign-ever/

What's the smallest majority she can get without it being a humiliation? 40? 50? They'd probably claim 30 was ok.

Corbyn wasn't too bad tonight. But Ed Miliband did better than expected during the last campaign and much good did it do him. The tabloids are going to go full crazy in the next week.

For sure. If there's even a hint of a hung parliament they are going to go for the jugular. Hopefully it'll be so hysterically over the top that it has the opposite effect to the one they hoped for.

Given the outlook at the beginning of the campaign, anything less than 50 seats would surely be seen as an abject failure.

Feel free not to @reply, Andy. Having read your erudite comments on my following page it's just a let down to see them again here.

Not that I'm blaming you. It's the whole rotten system that needs changing!

Join Progressive Alliance and vote tactically on this occasion.

:)

I seem to remember a degree of 'consultation' before the changes. Which had the effect of all consultations.
What are we talking about? Ah yes, people waiving toilet paper at Tom Dumoulin today, that was good.

I was too young to remember 1997, but it really did surprise me that there was no universal minimum wage (and the tories who want to raise now it completely denounced the idea at the time) before the blair government

https://www.channel4.com/news/fallon-no-correlation-between-foreign-policy-and-this-appalling-act-of-terrorism

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/809745/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-election-eharmony

That Fallon clip is great when they throw the Boris in

An old point, but I'll believe that Labour is close in the election when the election results have come in to show this. I certainly won't trust any polls until then.

I think I do. I supported JC at the beginning of his time as leader, thinking he offered genuine change and appeared to be able to draw some support. His dealings with the PLP tarnished him for me, he seemed incapable of considering the bigger picture of voters who help you win government and support the party/policy vs voters who are part of the labour party membership and support him. I also think he isn't ruthless enough and never seems to properly capitalise on all the failings of the Torys over the last 2+ years.

That said, he represents the best option for a different government. The manifesto is great, and I genuinely wouldn't want any of the other candidates as PM. However, Labour would probably do better with the same policies and a different leader, IMO.

voting should merely be a list of unattributed key policies and you get to put a yes or no next to each one.

Such as "should Britain leave the EU". That worked out wonderfully didn't it?

May is a politician currently embracing exactly that model. She (presumably) voted to remain herself, but in the spirit of Greenhell's single issue democracy she has now taken it upon her to implement the result of the popular vote, against her own better judgement.