General Election June 2017

So it boils down to an argument against the redistribution of wealth?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/strong-and-stable-my-arse-election-posters-appear-across-london-a3546046.html

A fair point

Although she did spend much of her time making speeches about how it was essential to bolster security in the capital... and that won't have been lost on those in Manchester who may hate her now like never before.

How can the person who cut 20,000 police officers, against universal criticism by the force, now claim to be strong, stable, secure? All it will take is one police officer to come out and say 'we would have followed this guy but cuts' and she's fucked

^^ and ^.

All it will take is one police officer to come out and say 'we would have followed this guy but cuts' and she's fucked:

https://twitter.com/Newsminster/status/867272723348828161

Ouch. Job done for the Labour PR team post-Sunday...

I'd love it (said like Kevin Keegan) if Corbyn would hit May with that type of attack but it doesn't seem like his style.

labour need to play this carefully. last thing they want is to be accused of weaponising a tragedy, which is kinda annoying considering it's patently obvious this situation has been exacerbated by may's policies whilst HS.

last thing they want is to be accused of weaponising a tragedy

all those cunts that read what Katie Hopkins spews don't seem to mind.

I don't think it needs to be seen that way. The thing to attack here is not that this would have necessarily been prevented, but to have to go full on army in the streets is a direct result of the culling of front line police roles.

Putting the army in to NI did not bring about the peace process. It stirred up more hatred and anger from Irish Nationalists towards the Union as the army aren't always trained to deal with socio-political or socio-economical nuances in ways that don't lead to escalation.

Campaigning may have halted yesterday in an official way but May's surrogates, the press, were hard at i. I won't link to The Sun but their headline above a picture of Corbyn "Blood on His Hands" was as outrageous as any they have done before.

While the headline was aimed at his attempts to broker a NI peace through dialogue, the intended meaning cannot have escaped many.

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https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/manchester-set-become-second-city-ban-sun-appalling-response-concert-bombing-tweets/

to have to go full on army in the streets is a direct result of the culling of front line police roles.

Playing devil's advocate here in relation to your point, isn't that a better use of limited funds?

If we accept (for this example) that more police wouldn't have prevented this. Then using the forces to step in and fill a shortfall for an uncommon event makes more sense than having extra permanent police.

The police forces are already stretched and operating at or beyond capacity. None of the 20,000 were "extra"

Deploying the military in this instance is just another symptom of an already overstretched police force.

I would rather have funding funneled into policing than 'defense'.

One of the comments under that article:

" hate The Sun but this is just points scoring gutter trash nonsense. This front page was produced before the fucking bomb went off you absolute numbskull. You should be ashamed of yourself, you are doing exactly the sort of thing The Sun would do....how does that make you feel? You need to take this down and apologise otherwise you are no better than the rag you aare attempting to call out.
I watched The Papers on BBC news, i saw this headline before the bomb went off.
Do i agree with the headline? Nope, but that doesn't mean i tunr it into #FakeNews.
You state it is a "Naked manipulation of tragic events to serve its own political purposes" whereas the truth is (and it pains me to say it) that it is you that are guilty of this. Pathetic and i'm absolutely disgusted that you seek to capitalise on the death of children for political means."

Slight hypocrisy from the Canary.

Absolutely, but aren't people saying people on the left (or even just people against the nastiness these papers put out) need to be more ruthless? I agree with you, the headline seemed to be about the IRA issue, but it also seemed like they can't have not known what they were doing...

people on the left (or even just people against the nastiness these papers put out) need to be more ruthless?

I think one of the main attractions for many to Jeremy Corbyn, is that he refuses to be ruthless in this way, and when his supporters start to play these games it undermines the project.

The later edition put the youngest victim's face alongside the perp's face (pixelated). Not much of an improvement.

My house caught fire back in the 2002 fireman's strike, and a bunch of squaddies came round. Seriously, you do not want a bunch of squaddies doing any jobs other than whatever it is squaddies do.

Getting pissed up and punching people in pubs on a Friday and Saturday night?

Squaddies on the piss are absolute cunts, used to get so much hassle off the Chelsea Barracks lot as a teenager... There were pubs in Pimlico you simply couldn't go in on a Friday night... Awful people...

Mind you, the lads I went to school with weren't much better...

Isn't one of the 'things that squaddies do' protecting public buildings from suicide bombers? I'd still rather have more police of course. They come with the handy benefit of being able to reduce other crimes too.

Same. Most of the kids at my school were squaddie offspring, so basically impossible not to get the shit kicked out of you by angry aggressive dickheads.
One particularly delightful kid in my class head butted me and broke my nose because I stepped in to defend a kid with Aspergers that he'd decided to bully.