Disc brakes are dead

I don’t get it.

@dan as in mine? I just took delivery of a Seven Axiom S. Has a slack head tube angle and steeper seat tube angle due to my short reach requirements. Likewise Re endurance geo. I tried one out of curiosity when test riding Ti frames and it was horrendous. Felt so unbalanced. Like, 80 percent of weight on the saddle and 20 on the bars.

Try off road to Brighton.

Would rep

are windfarm access roads gravel?

assume they're popular because 1. ppl want to go bike touring but not have to trundle along / have several bikes (separate tourer/winter trainer/light off-road/commuter) and 2. roadies are sick of being close passed

Depends on the wind farm but they are on private land so not accessible.

Source: wife, who has built many, many wind farms

never had an issue with that (in scotland)

Hah! While the building wind farms on my sisters land seems to be stalling, have built one myself a while ago ;-)

never had an issue with that (in scotland)

Scottish law, both at common law and by statute, provides much greater rights of access to the public over open land. The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 gives much greater statutory access rights to land than the equivalent English 'right to roam' statute, and covers cycling, which the English right to roam does not.

Also, in Scotland people generally just don't give a fuck unless you're being a total dick. In England there's more of a 'get orf mah land' attitude.

Also had a thought that disc brakes freed up road style frames to have bigger clearance therefore being able to fit in chunkier tyres? DB weren't adopted by the pro racers so had to find their own niche? Coincided with Sram going 1x (was it Sram or shimano first?) and you have a new style of bike between road and cross/mtb. Meantime Radavist/Dirty Kanza gained popularity?

The above is guesses and nonsense. Please feel free to correct, whoever actually knows how gravel bikes arose.

There are some long gravel tracks near me in Peak District, do they qualify as gravel roads?

First there was the road bike which took 23c.
Then arose the sportive (these were the heady days of 2014). This had the ultimate challenge: the Gran Fondo length sportive. But dads with bad backs and no flexibility ran out of headset spacers on their Allezs and were dying for something new. Industry pioneers BMC created the Gran Fondo GF02 which was slack and tall and took 28c tyres. This is Eli Whitney's cotton gin - everything else is minor tweaks to the revolutionary gravel genre defining geo.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/reviews/road-bikes/bmc-granfondo-gf02-shimano-105

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whoever actually knows how gravel bikes arose.

The safety bicycle is older than tarmacadam.

Fit some good quality 25s and you’ll enjoy the bike a lot more.

Great find.

ran out of headset spacers on their Allezs

Coincided with Scoble stack era?

Do you have a link to the bell you got? I tried ordering some and they were wayyyy too small to fit on tape

Sorry missed this.

Unfortunately it was ages ago now. I'll see if I can find the box, but my outhouse is a shit hole right now.

Are you 100% that there aren't two lengths in the box? There should be a long one for drops and a short one for flats.

Didn’t I buy all the stack available on here in 2010 and have a slammed stem.

in conclusion, england is bad

^Deport!

Just going to leave this here

ffs

Nah this is good

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where there are no true gravel roads

True gravel? True. Fucking. Gravel? Shit...you might be onto something here. America. Without it, no one will truly experience true gravel. Where only the truest of true gravel exists. Truer than all the global gravel, truly the best you can every get anywhere. All other gravel is just fucking foreign dirt next to such magnificent all American gravel.

GRAVEEEEEELLLLMUUUUURICAAAAA

eagle flies overhead and F16's jizz red white and blue rockets

errrrrrrrrrrrr

Not a lot of that sort of the stuff in the UK, is there? This is not in the US by the way.

Looks like a gazillion of miles of Swedish road. Welcome to Europes outback everyone.

Grus is the keyword here.

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Sportgrus please, and yeah, that's the point I was making. I'm just on the other side of the bridge ;-)