Hartley All the Roads

Can you see the the difference in @MetalMelly 's before and after pictures? You video resembles his before image.

If you work on flexibility of your lower back, range of motion at the hip you will be able to rotate a bit further forward. More core strength and your body will be able to hold itself up. Shoulder alignment and lift of the sternum while softening the floating ribs will mean your neck and shoulders bear weight more comfortably and your gaze will be more comfortable. It may be that your current physiology can't support a better riding position. But riding in that proposed position does not look like it would be great for you.

(I do teach 1:1 yoga sessions for cyclists so am a little biased)

Hmmmm. I may want some of those yoga lessons. Pm you? Or you me? With details? Thanks.

PM is good.

Alternatively, get your floating ribs removed. Prince style, for serious off-bike benefits.

Of course you're right Lance is an extreme example, but if you look at any pro peloton there are always riders with that 'hunchback' look, despite the fact they've all received many hours of fitting. It's just natural for some people regardless of how well fitted they are. Also most of them will have a curved rather than straight back.

I agree thrasher's position in that video doesn't look like it's quite refined enough, and maybe not all that comfortable. I'm not a bike fitter but to me it looks like he's got too much upper body movement, overly rounded back and is perhaps too stretched out. But all I meant was that not everyone needs to aim for the completely straight-backed, upright position in the earlier photo.

It's difficult to get your pelvis rotated forward if you have a high saddle and poor hamstring flexibility. It's also difficult to do it if your bars are too high/close; rotating forward gives you a much longer effective reach since your back is much flatter.
The easiest way to learn how to do it is to sit on your bike without clipping in and rotate forward; you'll feel you're sat on a different part of your pelvis. You'll probably also find you have to bend your arms alot (which won't feel natural so you'll have to lower your bars).
Clipping in a pedalling in this position will take some getting used to, and if your setup isn't right then you'll probably find your body will revert back to it's original position. Lowering the saddle will probably help.
How hard was the gear you were pushing in the video?

It was moderate but quite abit of friction. I'm going to get a second opinion on the fit.

Thanks for your advice

I thought your pedal stroke looked a bit odd; not very smooth and quite a slow cadence (did the fitter ask you to spin slowly?)
Your inside leg measurement is 800mm, the saddle height in your picture on the first page is 750mm, yet Greg Lemonds 0.883 saddle height forumla gives you a saddle height of 706mm.....
Obviously that's just a guide.....but the fact you've got a fairly flat footed pedalling style, and the fact that most people drop their heels when made to push a hard gear (i.e. up a steep hill) would suggest to me you should/could try a slightly lower saddle height.

Honestly why not Open U.P.?

but if you look at any pro peloton there are always riders with that 'hunchback' look, despite the fact they've all received many hours of fitting.

I'm pretty sure most of the pro's who look like that are the ones are too ornery to change, having ridden like that since they were teens.
They also have a full support team to loosen them up after every (serious) ride, which also negates some of the fit issues that would plague a normal cyclist

I still get pain in my shoulders, still stops me from riding much over four hours and it mounts up if I'm riding multiple days. I wish it would it could be resolved, I might try having a fresh fit in the New Year.

Poo brown or orange probably

The other silly thing I was doing was carrying a rucksack. Always when commuting. Clothes for work, few tools,maybe some shopping going home... the usual which becomes a couple of kilos pretty quickly. And often on weekend rides too. I never used the waist and chest straps despite my Alpkit sack having them. After Cyclefit I used the straps properly ie tight on the waist, loosened the shoulder straps and took almost all of the weight off my shoulders. I tell you it was a revelation to experience the difference. Neck ache esp on off road would start within an hour....now gone altogether. These minor changes - others are written up elsewhere in this thread - can make a significant difference.

This.

Their landing page is b&w - go figure.

Both look great

Open U.P. are ugly, bikefit is important and yoga is boring. Can we get back to the paint scheme please.

Amey go away. Thrasher wants a Hartley. So he shall have a Hartley.

Why would anyone buy a custom bike when they can have otp? Oh yeah, because they want one.

Invalid opinions>>>>>

He is not a seasoned #buyer tho. We've had the likes of this 3 years ago 😋

Only aesthetics is a weak justification for going custom IMO.

Fairlight are also nice.

Worth a punt on one of these if you want steel http://www.zen.bike/collections/frontpage/products/the-zen-road-frame-fork

weak justification for going custom

Don't be bloody daft. There's no correlation between how much you enjoy a shiny new bike and how justified you were in purchasing it.

Definition of #Buyer? - is it just people buying expensive bike's / components / clothing?

We've had the likes of this 3 years ago 😋

Probably - Not #trending or breaking any new ground here. Sorry about that.

Only aesthetics is a weak justification for going custom IMO.

True - but its not my only reason for going custom if thats directed at me. If you really want to know my reasons for going custom - I'd be happy share :)

Fairlight are also nice

Lots of nice bikes out there isnt there. Hard to decide what to buy! Your not helping..

Afaik a #buyer is someone that buys all the expensive shit only to sell it 3 weeks later and buy other expensive shit

The open frame is pricey compared to some well loved British steel handmade too. It's like full bike dorrah for some plastics. You'd want a Look for that money if your bike must be composite.

A poo-brown melty carbon thing is hardly going to float your boat if you want some sleek fillet-brazed steel lust-machine. Hartley all the way.

@amey has been off his rocker recently