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How are FTR any different to 5th Floor? 5th Floor are just a more established version of the same "we are serious dudes". They have just done some real racing, scrapped about a bit and gotten Adidas instead of Milltag.

What issues do people have with traditional clubs ?

They also organise an open track meeting at HH as well as taking on the organisation of the London summer cyclocross series.

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Fair. Back in my box.

Good question. @croft what are these legitimate issues with "old school"-styled clubs?

Not enough pizza and instagramming. Wasn't that established on a previous page?

Mostly to do with being old fashioned/slow to adapt, one way or another.

You can't enter them and then immediately run the show.

They are - mostly - risk adverse, so for example you can't run a grass roots cyclocross race through them. Probably.

Not enough pizza and instagramming. Wasn't that established on the previous page?

Oh Yeah. And this.

I suspect these are the reasons people to chose to do their own thing.cc - I'm saying they are particularly legitimate.

Sheesh. Well I'm not going to name and shame, but the club that I rode with before joining my current club had been going for over 100 years and had a very fixed idea about how things were to be done, in so far as there were two "ride leaders" for each Sunday club run, who did the same ride every weekend. There was no flexibility, I tried to suggest different routes and volunteered myself as a ride leader and was shot down every time. The only time we did something than the usual "80KM in Essex" route, was when the chairman came out to ride with us. I assumed that since he hadn't been on any of the other rides, he must be some serious racer who was too busy training for club rides. But no, he was on an electric bike because he didn't actually ride anymore due to old age. But he was still the chairman of a cycling club. Lots of old school styled clubs are great, but the ones I've ridden with are stuck in their ways.

Also not enough 'gram game.

My old club has evolved with the times, got great kit and made plenty of changes to how they run (with a bit of grumbling from aom of the older riders). As a result they are now one of the biggest clubs in their region.

it's one of the reasons this forum's gone downhill so much. no one even gets called a n00b anymore.

The only time we did something than the usual "80KM in Essex" route, was when the chairman came out to ride with us. I assumed that since he hadn't been on any of the other rides, he must be some serious racer who was too busy training for club rides. But no, he was on an electric bike because he didn't actually ride anymore due to old age. But he was still the chairman of a cycling club.

I wonder how many years he rode for before, or how long he had supported that club before you joined?

Decades I'm sure, and fair play to him etc. But sentiment doesn't lead clubs, action does.

Another example would be that older clubs tend to have an emphasis on time trialling, which is its own (increasingly unfashionable?) world. e.g. you might be put off by being asked to stand marshalling a roundabout on the G69/B course in pissing rain at 5am on a Sunday.

Not many clubs around with an emphasis on time trialling! Again - my old club gave you money off kit if you helped to marshal.

I didn't mean a majority emphasis, it's just an example of stuff older clubs spend energy/committee time/resources on that may not appeal to those who go on to form the kind of nu-club discussed here.

nu-club

Can we agree on nomenclature? I'm keen to stick with micro-cc but am happy to go with the general consensus.

alt-biek

taking membership on Q1.cc

Are vicious velo still going? They were a micro-cc before it was cool to be a micro-cc. Great kit too.

Is 'coalesced blob of self-absorbed self-important twats' too wordy?

I'm only jealous by the way, tried setting up my own micro-cc and it failed spectacularly.