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is there a summary for the tl;dtwitter among us?

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I'm pretty sure that "but other people broke the law too" doesn't really help your defence in court.

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John Kelly "not speaking" to Trump
https://us.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/john-kelly-chief-of-staff-donald-trump

"Totally legal and totally cool"

also regarding this tweet from this morning...

It was apparently tweeted within a couple of minutes of an evacuation at CNN headquarters today

I think a potential RICO case against the Trump Organization would get him to resign if it made RICO go away.

Above all else Trump believes himself the bestest bigly business man. Take away business trading under his name and he has nothing.

Wow.

Wasn't the State of New York pursuing a case against Trump Organization? How far did that get?

It's ongoing. Early stages. Rumoured to be juicy.

I think theres a difference between a normal state case and a RICO case though. if I remember correctly, a RICO case could effectively outlaw the Trump organisation in its entirety under that name.

It basically has to prove that the organisation as an entity is rotten and unlawful at all levels but also the burden of proof is apparently lower than traditional cases. I might have read that wrongly though.

Essentially a state case would mean they can keep on trading after...maybe with a change of top level personnel but there would be nothing to stop trump coming back to it after the presidency...

Could any findings of the state case trigger a Federal case, or is that not how it works?

RICO is a Federal Statute designed to go after the heads of criminal organisations - basically making them culpable for actions of their subordinates.

Possibly, but the NY probes, AIUI, are specific to the (mis)behaviour of the Trump charitable organisations. Basically - charities need to behave like charities and if they don't they can be stripped of that designation and can be prosecuted for fraud.

Unless they are based in Tufton St.

White House has no plan to counter Mueller report.

Because, apparently, that would require honesty within the team about what actually happened in 2016, and nobody has the remotest iota of faith that Trump could stick to any plan anyway. Amazing.

I'm sure he could stick to a plan designed to operate for about four seconds, so why don't they try that?

Fake news. 87 pages already. And that's just on the crowd size.

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That's an impressive amount of rebuttal to something they haven't seen yet.

Not just the heads. The organisation itself can be ruled against as well. Hence why it's been used against both the LAPD and hell's angels

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/content/rico-act.html

All this RICO talk has explained to me why Giuliani was recruited by Team Trump.
Quite apart from Giuliani's general fit with the republican party,
(rich, well educated clearly part of a metropolitan elite etc.),
I seem to remember that the Public Prosecutor, (ADA?),
that was the early incarnation that brought Rudy to the public eye,
he used the RICO powers to prosecute various NY crime families.

Team Trump needed someone with experience from the other side
to see what previous Trump/Trump Corp/Trump Foundation activities
could be mitigated.

The trump university case of art Cohen Vs Donald j trump was a civil Rico case that was settled out of court 2 weeks into the presidency... Had it been a criminal case well.... The last two years might have been a bit different...

Rudy prosecuted the Italian Americans and then the Russian families took over operations. Might not have been a coincidink.

He's on a roll today.

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