Labour Leadership 2016

This elephant has now come home to roost.

:D
(I'm picturing it now)

Does this help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_bird

do flightless birds roost?
(this metaphor is creaking)

I agree, it was the best I could offer.
Does sitting in a nest on the ground count as roosting?

But remember what part of the elephant sits on us now... ;)

Back on topic, had a fine Brexit rant with a colleague. We agreed on everything. But he also thinks Corbyn has no clear message and is not electable.

Perhaps it's better if he goes... I like the man btw.

Will any Labour leader ever be able to communicate a clear message given the bias of the
UK media?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

loses no confidence motion by 172 votes to 40

...and refuses to go.

Makes you wonder, if the party in Westminster doesn't represent the party membership as a whole then what does this mean for Labour? Is there a need for a new party to represent those people who are no longer represented by the PLP?

So who is the fallguy/ess(?) from the PLP that is going to stand against JC?

Is there a need for a new party to represent those people who are no longer represented by the PLP?

This is something I've said for probably almost 10yrs now. The Tory right didn't like the Conservatives' shift to the centre so set up UKIP. I don't understand why the left of Labour didn't do this ages ago (well obviously I do).

Got to say that I'm not sure now is the best time to do it.

I don't understand why the left of Labour didn't do this ages ago (well obviously I do).

Bro, do u even Arthur Scargill?

http://www.socialist-labour-party.org.uk/

Wow. Didn't know that.

Yeah. I can imagine. They haven't exactly made great political gains. Which is rather the point.

I'm a Corbyn fan, but making change happen requires pragmatism as well as principles and if he can't practically lead the PLP I'm not sure I'll vote for him this time round. :(

I suspect New Labour thought their left flank was covered by the Greens,
(on their way down from their '89 Euro election peak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_1989_(United_Kingdom)
maybe being a depository or protest votes in Euro elections,
but hoping they would vote more circumspectly in a general election.

First past the post fucks up any smaller parties.

Any sensible person also won't have the troll factor farage has to draw media attention.

I joined the Labour party last night. Such was my pissed offness with Corbyn's failure to prevent Brexshit. Not sure what I'm going to do with my new superpower beyond go to a local meeting and turn over a table.

Also I think the Lib Dems should change their name to the Mandems. Or at least the Libdems.

the figures are here

https://fullfact.org/education/have-governments-tuition-fee-reforms-worked/

They too make the point that correlation is not nescessarily causation.

Makes you wonder, if the party in Westminster doesn't represent the party membership as a whole then what does this mean for Labour? Is there a need for a new party to represent those people who are no longer represented by the PLP?

There are the Socialist Party, the Socialist Workers Party, and the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Green Party, from where many new Corbyn supporters came in the first place. I'm sure their parties would welcome them back.

Tx, looks like a good site :)

But they have changed a LOT, not just made the universities more expensive. Basically it seems they are just writing off a lot of debt by changing the income threshold. For now.

"In 2012 the Coalition raised the cap on tuition fees for undergraduate courses to £6,000 for all universities, and to £9,000 in "exceptional circumstances" —which now 120 universities and conservatoires in England (the vast majority) are charging." Sigh note they're all an exception... Queen's here (Russel) has gone up to 6600!

". Instead we can look at the number of English-resident entrants to part-time undergraduate courses in the UK, which fell 48% from 226,000 in 2010/11 to 118,000 in 2013/14. " I saw a lot of people complaining on the Open Uni pages when this happened...not that the OU could do anything about it. Their grants got cut.

Me too.
Under 'Why do you want to join the Labour party?' I put 'To vote for a leftist leader who isn't Jeremy Corbyn.'
It was the day of the result and straight after watching the Vice documentary. It's just not going to happen under Corbyn. He's not Bernie Sanders and he's not Tsipras. Not only can Corbyn not get his message across, he seems to think it's not all that important that he does. He thinks it's about being correct rather than reaching people. Same problem Tony Benn had, that kind of slightly above politics thing. I'm trying to avoid the word vanity because I don't know the guy. But if we want to see leftist policies implemented then we have to work out the distance between true believer and crusader.

I joined the Labour party last night.

Me too.

Awesome, tell your freinds :)