EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Yeah, the Times have overexposed the image.

What nobody seems to be mentioning, because it's just too depressing, is that neither Theresa May or Parliament are likely to have a say on what form Brexit will take, because it's pretty much entirely in the hands of the other 27 EU members. Unless we don't leave, we're probably fucked.

Having been in Norway recently, a lot of the people I spoke to think they have the best of both worlds with their EU relationship, rather than the worst of them as the British media portrayed it.

which led to the environment where Jo Cox being was murder in the street by a deranged racist

On that topic, it's worth noting Brendan Cox's opinion:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/30/jo-cox-widower-calls-on-politicians-to-reclaim-patriotism-from-far-right

Anyway came to post this.

I voted for Brexit to escape the bureaucracy of the European Union and I wanted us to regain control over legislation in this country. The latest ruling is yet more evidence for why this was the right decision. The country should not be ruled by any court system – including any European courts – and I am now more determined than ever to go. It’s dreadful that democracy can be overturned in court by law.

Followed by;

Why do we have democracy if we then don’t listen to the will of the people? Having a government dictated by legislators is like going back in time.

#wtafigo

Sarah Newton you are bonkers in the nut.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/04/leave-voters-on-article-50-ruling-brexit

Another election is quite possible. May can spin her change of heart as a response to changed circumstances. And what looked like good news yesterday will turn out to be terrible news.

A purge? A threat of violence from a man who looks like he couldn't knock the skin off a private school kitchen served rice pudding?

We're through the looking glass now, aren't we?

Because Theresa May has said she'll appeal the court's decision, and, apparently, has told Juncker that she's confident that appeal will succeed (she's in a minority of one here I think).

I see. I thought from the beginning of the case that the Government's case seemed hopeless, but IANAL.

Normally, the case would first go to the Appeal Court and only then to the Supreme Court (or formerly the Lords). What I think I've seen occasionally with important cases has been that the High Court judgement has been contradicted by the Appeal Court and the Appeal Court has then been contradicted by the Lords/Supreme Court. I've always got the impression that the courts like doing this to ensure the process shows that all opinions have been considered carefully through these stages, but that's just me talking without any knowledge.

I'm sure the judges are aware of this, but could appealing directly to the Supreme Court somehow make it less likely that the ultimate verdict is against the Government? I'd like to think not, but I'm wondering if it could be of any significance if the middle stage is omitted.

I think it's the government intending to appeal and do what it takes to disregard the ruling that is the issue.

Cheers. How have they said that they'll disregard the ruling?

When I was a kid I was told that if you had to label things on a drawing then it's probably not a very good drawing.

How did your teacher feel about infographics?

It’s dreadful that democracy can be overturned in court by law.

Why do we have democracy if we then don’t listen to the will of the people? Having a government dictated by legislators is like going back in time.

The extent of logical fallacy of which people are capable never ceases to amaze me.

And how is creating a thousand new unelected members of an unelected upper house a democratic move?

Same picture - spot the difference?

Is it definitely the same picture? There were photographers from multiple agencies outside the Royal Courts of Justice yesterday. You'd be amazed how pictures taken from slightly different angles can look exactly the same.

It's quite possible that different photographers = different exposures.

She'd probably feel they were a poor version of cartooning.

It's not meant to be democratic, its the will of the people

Second best thing I've seen today:

From: twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/­794196348165754881

Just more evidence of satire being dead (see Onion editorials (theonion.com/features/editori­al-cartoon)).

That is a very nasty 'cartoon'. One detail that may have escaped English speakers is the figure in Arab dress at the bow, leering at the (female mermaid) figurehead. He says "Ficke, ficke", which is (slang) German for 'fucking, fucking'. It sounds primitive to leave off the "n" that's normally in the end of the verb "ficken". The reference, of course, is to the New Year's Eve attacks in Köln (and some other cities).

if it is, the sun also cropped conveniently out her #patriotpoppy.

and that typography / pic placement is classic 'know your place, uppity forrin' we've all come to know and love from the sun

Yesterday's ruling is great news. Even if you're pro-Brexit. I can't understand why anyone would vote Brexit then not want the best deal, it's almost as if being pro-Brexit has to involve some weird form of political self-flagellation.

I'm personally of the view that Theresa May is overrated and really not that bright, but I was surprised from my limited knowledge of how laws passed by Parliament work that she chose to contest the legal challenge. I suppose she felt she had to.

However, remember she is anti-Brexit herself. By losing this case the hard-Brexit she is pretending to be fighting for gets watered down by Parliament, then she can blame them without incurring the wrath of the pro-Brexiteers and the right-wing of the Tory party.

Convenient.

My god we seem to have entered an era of politics of willful ignorance, I wonder why though all the pro-Brexit people want to do it behind closed doors, using the royal prerogative to slide it past Parliament. Which is about as undemocratic as they come, practically feudal in fact. It seems to that lot democracy is something to be picked up and dropped when it suits them.

The Tory rags should be hanging their heads in shame, frightening how they went after those judges for, well judging, applying the law of the land, a law passed by an act of parliament. A parliament elected by the people. Yet they defy the 'will of the people'? What pathetic rhetoric, and recent polls indicate that it's not the will of the people, it's actually the will of less than half of the people. These are frightening dog whistles for the extreme right, we've already seen an MP murdered, what next, these judges? The 'foreign-born' millionaire that brought the case to law?

These are frightening times, this is going to get worse, and uglier.

The brexit panic over the Lords' ruling is clearly showing us which MPs, or would-be MPs, are too stupid to hold elective office.
1) Ian Duncan Smith
2) Suzanne Evans

make your own additions.
is there anyway that say IDS can be cautioned/sanctioned by the Speaker for lying,
(outside of Parliament)?

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Always timely to share this.

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But it's what the People want, Andy.

Stop denying the will of the People.

Politicians sanctioned for lying outside parliament??? There'd be none left.

How many times has Boris been sacked for lying ?

Just when you think you've heard it all

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