EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

The way I get it:

Trade talks with the EU can't start until article 50 is triggered. You get 2 years max.
Any deals with other places take more than 2 years max.

So the "it's all the EUs fault for giving us such a crap negotiating position and not letting us talk before!!!!" lot will still blame the EU I would say.

The grievances still won't be over... as long as the UK gov will keep blaming the EU for things it has caused itself, nothing will change and everybody will still be pissed off. And the true EU issues have to be acknowledged as well.

It's a chance to do things right, but my faith in the current lot is not high at all. People also won't vote Labour, so how to steer this boat into a productive united UK? I've no idea :/

Can't see this making any material difference myself. We will still be leaving Europe it's just a case of how and when.

Maybe. But it means that parliament can debate and agree what form Brexit takes, rather than having it dictated by the executive branch of government. Which is how it should be in a parliamentary democracy.

Reminds me of an old editor, biggest wanker I've ever worked with...

He decided he'd commission all the illustrations in the magazine himself instead of letting me do my job, every single one would look like that... Fucking horrific...

Daily Mail front page... Seemingly not happy with the existence of courts.

The Sun headline is beyond satire.

Remind me who the proprietor is again?

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The Times, meanwhile, seems to have trouble understanding the rule of law and parliamentary sovereignty.

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I think what this shows is all those Leave campaign arguments for regaining the sovereignty of parliament and the supremacy of British courts in British legal matters were, to use a technical term, absolute bollocks.

But immigrants Andy- immigrants!

Yeah but democracy Neil, democracy!

Democracy is whatever I want to happen, happening - don't cross me with this rule of law bollocks.

Those three judges should declare Diana's death a murder. The ensuing contradiction and subsequent coniption would break the bonds with Dacre's human host and reveal his demonic form. From there it's back to the etherial planes and problem solved.

Good old Daily Express ramps it up to 11 with a nod to Nazis

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/728602/Brexit-judges-block-leave-EU-referendum-High-Court

This is the Government's definition of extremism. Paul Dacre et al might want to refresh their understanding of it.

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I must confess that as someone who voted to leave in the referendum (and did so with some regret), I'm not overly bothered by this development. Whilst I don't think it will make much material difference to the path the country will ultimately take, anything that gives closer scrutiny to the arrangements, whatever form they take, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

But it does need to be dealt with efficiently without however rushing matters. Its the uncertainty in the manner in which we will be leaving that is the killer here IMO, not the inevitable decision that we will actually leaving, which I think is beyond doubt at this stage.

P.s I don't side with the daily mail et Al and i normally read the guardian, despite being a reluctant brexiter

Well, as ever the DM, Sun etc trying to whip up some more hatred. This is just the kind of language that which lead to the environment where Jo Cox being was murder in the street by a deranged racist (I wonder if Thomas Mair voted brexit)

He's got it wrong. Everyone knows what Brexit means, hasn't he listened to May?

overwhelming verdict of the British public.

FFS
#wtafigo

"But it does need to be dealt with efficiently without however rushing matters."

And that's perhaps the snag: May goes "let's do this in 2017" even though it's now become clear how mega complex it's going to be. So not rushing matter may be 2018...2019...

I'm happy enough though with the verdict as disabling checks in democracy is where fascism lies.

With the Tories getting on as if this advisory referendum with no clarification on the type of exit (stay in EEC/fully leave) gave them the power to do whatever they want, I think it's good they now have actually negotiate with Parliament.

I wonder if Thomas Mair voted brexit

He was in prison at the time, and prisoners are not allowed the vote because tabloids. He killed for Brexit though, which shows a stronger commitment than most who just voted.

Jesus christ, just read today's Richard Littlejohn article.

I could rant on about how full of shit it is but I'll just stick to making the point that he spends most of the article questioning the authority of ex pats who have a problem with brexit. This, from a man who lives in Florida.

Florida.

There's your answer.

The first Tory MP resigns over May's approach to parliamentary scrutiny of Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/04/may-to-tell-juncker-brexit-is-still-on-after-article-50-ruling-politics-live

Just another few hundred of the odious cunts to go.

Some YouGov research

^ Is somebody in yougov having a fucking laugh? We all get a medal once we are good and get to stage 5?