EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

The Tories are coming across as pretty appalling and I feel a great shame to be from the same cuntry. I don't know what I can do!

Is there a mechanism for UK citizens to force an early general election?

Maybe that's the way to go?

How to lose friends and alienate people...

I've lived here my whole life, not sure I want to stick around after Brexit, unless Pimlico becomes an independent state with own passport..

She comes across as the love child of Oswald Mosley and Margaret Thatcher.

Vote of no confidence. Simple majority if the government calls for it, 2/3rds if the opposition calls for it.

Last happened in '79 when Thatcher ousted Callaghan which was a hung parliament.

Highly unlikely to happen to this friggin lot. Because this referendum has given them carte blanche to do whatever they want, which in turn we can blame on the botched referendum prior to the last one.

Hate child.

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"I am a meat popsicle"

Now it's legit to be racist is it also legit to be homophobic and anti Semitic?

Yes.

So long as you say "It's not racist to talk about immigration." and then refuse to engage in the resulting argument where everyone else says, "Yes it is.".

OK :)

But we can't initiate those as citizens can we? I wonder if there's a way for voters to force it. As this is getting beyond a joke.

http://www.omfif.org/analysis/commentary/2016/october/on-the-road-to-a-sterling-crisis/

I think May's government is going to run out of road when the economic reality of her policies bite. The worrying question is what will replace it.

Although years of shouting it down as racist is probably part of what ended us up where we are today.

If there'd been a bit more openness and discussion then maybe people wouldn't have reacted the way they did when given a chance to vote on it.

It's OK saying that immigrants make a net contribution to society, but people find it hard to accept that when they are not working and some industries have a disproportionate amount of foreign labour.

This is particularly the case in unskilled labour:

In 2014,43% of workers in elementary process plant occupations (e.g. industry cleaning process occupation and packers, bottlers, canners and fillers), 33.6% in cleaning and housekeeping managers and supervisions, and 32.0% of workers process operatives (i.e food, drink and tobacco process; glass and ceramics process operatives; textile process operatives; chemical and related process operatives; rubber and plastic process operatives; metal making and treating process and electroplaters) were foreign-born.

Of those 43%, 19% are migrants who've arrived in the past 5 years. It's easy to see why people have concerns.

There are obviously bigger issues at play, enforcement of the minimum wage for one, but just suggesting that restricting immigration is backwards and racist is part of the reason we're fucked now.

unless Pimlico becomes an independent state with own passport..

Already happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvLqZ4-8-M

There was a huuuuuge Spanish community in Pimlico when I grew up there...

is this even legal?

Yes, it's legal to ask but there's no legal requirement for people to comply.

It's naughty for them not to mention that you don't have to submit it.

Years of ensuring the term 'immigration' meant talking about people that ain't white is what has got us here.

Years of starting any sentence about 'immigration' with the phrase 'I ain't no racialist but' is what has got us here.

Years of 'immigration' being a major part of anything to do with the far right has what has got us here.

I ran bars in Central London for seven years, English people almost never applied for a job- when I was running the place on Regent Street I had 22 staff and none of them were from the UK- because only foreign nationals had applied for a job there. I used to do create shift allocations based on level of English, which was challenging - but you work with who is willing to work, and "native English" weren't.

Hard Brexit looks a lot like Turkey's situation in the customs union. Good luck with that.

I hope the House of Lords dig their heels in on this one.

A bit like Dammit mentions, I was talking to the manager of Pret a Manger recently (herself not British born) and she said in six years running the shop only one British person applied for a job.
I wonder how many people looking forward to British job for British people realise it will mean them taking shitty, minimum-wage work in retail.

" suggesting that restricting immigration is backwards and racist is part of the reason we're fucked now."

It is when immigration is not the root cause of the problem that exist: Namely people not getting the jobs, eg unemployment.

• In The Netherlands business undercut locals by using a special EU scheme which means welders get paid very little taxable income, and it costs the business less. This pisses off local welders, NL tried to change this scheme but Poland blocked it.
  
• Some jobs are not suitable when you are the single income person with kids, no flexibility
  
• People don't want to do some jobs as they're dirty and low paid
  
  

So it's part jobs not being suitable, part business exploitation, and part lack of skills and basically part people are unwilling to do the job (which I won't hold against them, I've done my call centre stints) as they're basically dead-end jobs forever.

But it's easy to blame it on themmuns for the government, as business want cheap workers, the government doesn't want to raise tax to pay for education. etc etc...

While the benefits system is shit here and there are no council houses...

Do they have prets in Hull or Barnsley?

They're branded as 'Greggs'

Pret a Manger

Excuse me, Sir, but in Brexit Britain, this is now named "Sammidge Shop".