EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Make like a tree...

This article...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/13/eu-cash-flows-to-cornwall-but-many-want-to-leave

all just feels a bit cutting off nose to spite face.

Cornwall init.

There's a strange duality to the place – it comes across all hippy and and full of people with dreadlocks and crocs but is actually incredible insular.

UKIP are popular in the Isles of Scilly, which just seems nuts. It doesn't have that vibe.

Some of it seems to be from the fishing industry where there is a lot of bad blood about forrin fishing boats coming in to their patches.

That's fair enough in a way, if new regulations directly mess up your income I can see why you are not so happy.

Rumor has it before the Spanish massive fishing boats came in there were way more mackerel at the coast here. But again will UK gov do better?

Surely it would make more sense to tackle the problem as part of Europe instead of sitting in your dinghy waving a sou'wester at "European" fishing boats that ravaging the available fishing stock?

I'm pretty sure the fishing issues predate the EU.

There's always something. Giant squids sinking you boat, Pirates, German U-boats, agro Sharks... I could go on.

Yep youse both speak sense, but it's very hard to correct currently.

For example: Cod. Very overfished. Really needs a full stop on fishing. Been talked about for years, f-all gets done. EU, why???

I believe the EU sets the quota and gives no local flexibility. Now perhaps this will come, but I don't think it will come fast. If you are directly affected, I can understand a brexit vote. It still may not lead to a solution though...

Small scale management or industry initiatives like MSC are the way forward. There are good sites as well on what to buy.

A member of this parish was telling me yesterday he was trying to talk his parents into voting stay but they would have none of it "because we spend so much on it and get nothing in return" he asked who had paid for their loft and cavity insulation to get done "it was some EU grant but that's not the point"

AA Gills piece yesterday was funny

Brexit believe that everything was better back then, that Britain (England, really) is a worse place now than it was at some foggy point in the past where we achieved peak Blighty.

In Essex "Vote Leave" is sprayed on the road in a surprising amount of places.

They're giving people a vote to leave Essex now?

Yeah, I'm voting BRemain and BRessex

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There's already a certain amount of pulling out going on there, or so I've heard.....

I think technically it means that they want to Azzer Britain. You'll be doing your bit when you bum hipsters in Cycle PS at the end of the month. More of a Roughly Up Them than a Referendum.

Really surprised at how annoying Eddie Izzard is as a Remain campaigner. I love him as a comedian but he's very hectoring, repetitive and lacking in authority as a debater.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07gbrq9/question-time-09062016

Poor Eddie came across as a twat in his lipstick and beret. A perfectly good opportunity to impart a convincing argument to stay and he behaves like a immature teenager.

Surely that's why Farage is there?

In Essex this week. There is a surprising correlation between the vote leave placards and the number of St George's crosses flying. It's not exactly a swastika but if you're not white Anglo Saxon it might as fucking well be.

Basically - if your skin tone falls outside the porcelain pink spectrum you should vote remain. It's not a race thing if you're white. If you're not white you should fuck off back to where you came from and take your assault rifles with you.

I asked a friend of my parents recently about this lark and they just said they were voting out. They couldn't give any reason as to why they were voting out, but they knew they didn't want to remain.

They did say that I should think of the children I haven't got...

My friend has changed his mind from quite rabid leave to remain, citing his children as the reason, he doesn't want years of uncertainty for them

Wish my missus' dad would do the same. She rang him earlier and genuinely said 'please don't vote leave, you'll ruin my future' but he wafted it off with his Daily Mail.

The irony is he's paying for our wedding in France...

Do people consider the result for British expats? I don't see it ending so well for them either.

Or is it sorta "Meh, out of sight, out of heart..."

I'm voting out for a points-based system of mackerel and cod migration like they have in Australia, innit?

They can't be deported, if that's what you mean. I imagine most of them aren't exactly that integrated with the locals anyway, and likely will be even more distanced if we did leave.

I can't see many of them giving a shit, so long as they're soaking up some sun and can still buy The Mirror and some PG Tips in their local vendedor de periódicos

All the economics stuff aside, it's that stereotypical 'Brit abroad' perception of us by the rest of Europe that is the exact reason we should be remaining in. Rather than burning the last bridge across the Channel, we should stay in and work on those relationships a bit better for the future, selfishly because I'd quite like to live in France at some point soon...

Us dirty eu immigrants have no guarantee either.

Paying a lot each year for a visa, not getting health care acces or setting ridiculous barriers. If the UK does this, it'll land expats in hot water.

But just wondering if brits in the UK consider the fate of their expat British :)

Tell me about it. Of the two people I know who are voting out, one owns a house in France, the other a boat.