EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/30/england-vital-hedges-cuts-funding-farmers-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

And now this... as much as I think Brexit sucks, having wildlife / conservation targetsfor farming (the new EU CAP includes green payments but no targets) is a potentially good move.

But everything is so badly implemented and executed...

didn’t they do spot checks on 20 lorry and 18 of them had some form of contraband. It’s not just rotting meat it the amount of smuggling going on to avoid paying tax too.

I do wonder where this dodgy meat is going. I assume not in the major supermarkets. Assume to those people who sell out the back of a lorry at the car boot sales. One of our local pubs has started doing a meat raffle on a Sunday (back to the 70s) we don’t eat meat but the idea of eating meat of unknown pronounce, fuck that.

Perhaps the dodgy meat goes in pet food?

Not great either of course, but as an omnivore it is pretty easy to sniff out meat has gone off.

It is strange for sure...unless there are really dodgy places cleaning it up and putting it in stews or something?

Free movement for rotted meat but not for people ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/17/uk-delis-could-be-forced-to-put-up-prices-after-new-brexit-tax?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

£43 government fees to check certain food imports from the EU to GB. Charged per consignment so more of a problem for businesses importing smaller amounts of lots of different foods.

Blue Passports though, and £350m per week for the nhs.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1671964786974662667

Epic wtf thread >>>>>>>>>

Question Time...

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Brilliant

Any chance of a precis for those who couldn't face listening to a bunch of nutters with b-regret or who still think it can work?

It was horrible, if South end on sea is anything to go by we're fucked.

I know it doesn't need to be said but, ben habib is totally mental, it didn't help that alastair campbell let his lie regarding out EU trade volumes go unchanged. Apparently having a hard boarder in Ireland is what we need, then everything with be ok.

It was utterly depressing.

South end on sea is anything to go by we're fucked.

It was in Clacton on Sea.
Brexit Central.

A mostly hostile audience.
The format is terrible for any nuance. Completely pointless programme

TV at its worst. The once great BBC bought down by it's populist pandering.

I thought that point of the episode was that it was a 100% hostile audience, on purpose.

It was the point and it was pointless

Was it though? Doesn’t it show a) that most Brexit voters are deeply dissatisfied with the outcome and b) that the level of anger towards the Tories is incredibly high in an area where they’d expect to win comfortably at a general election?

Only a minority of them 20% I think would vote differently.

The mood was angry though not clearly directed at the Tories

The 'hostility' was more like a doubling down, arms crossed, desperation.

Obviously there's a faction of brexit fundamentalists that'll never be convinced that it was a mistake but others are just clinging to hope that it'll work out. Unfortunately I think they'll need to see much clearer daylight between us and the rest of we Europe before they completely accept the reality, whilst we're all in the post pandemic downturn and the war in Ukraine carries on there's still an excuse for the far right loons to pedal out whether is bollocks or not.

There are a lot of people in the UK who believe their own theories despite overwhelming proof to the contrary.

I wouldn't expect them to accept any reality, they'll just move on to being wrong about another topic and refuse to consider the mistakes they've already made.

Yes, but the real hardened blinkered loons are the minority, there's lots of people that regret voting for brexit but still have hope because they need it, it's one thing to say you're happy to live with the economic consequences than actually live with it.

The Emu reply. Amazing.

The common stance seems to be the problem isn't Brexit, it's how Brexit has been implemented (if you're really dyed in the wool you can then go on about the problem being that it's because they're all remainders but you don't have to).

They'll just blame something else for the problems. I don't think it's just blinkered loons who behave like this. People with regrets don't seem to be that big a percentage. As @aggi has said, they just claim it's not been implemented properly.

They'll just blame something else for the problems.

Defintitely this. Mostly people on boats who haven't even arrived yet and couldn't possibly have had any influence on the situation.

they just claim it's not been implemented properly

But then you ask what they think it should look like and they just get angry because they don't actually know.

Rinse & repeat ad infinitum...

People (in general and that's true for me too) are stupid.

We have a limited capacity to follow politics cos we are busy, and we get emotional.

I know a Brexiter via a mate and she's. .ok. Abusive ex took him to court, fought to get her kids, always worked in social housing strong woman, she's a unionist my mate is nationalist.

So not a fucking awful nutter but identity politics and gammon media can get to people. See also an ex colleague.

Now you vote for it, well yeah the shit this has unleashed is unreal. If we ever are able to heal a calm acknowledgement of the hurt us definitely needed.

But having fucking oxygen thieves on the media all the time, great way to ensure there's no healing and the hurt will get re exploited politically

Bunch of 🤬 like garage Johnson, Habib and the other sociopaths and co need to fuck off and the adults need to acknowledge the hurt.

Good luck with that! But I am choosing to park the anger occasionally. It's just shit to have Brexit crap on all of us and if the game is to divide us all the time i refuse to play it!

While loudly complaining with the husband in the house I'm no Saint lol

Oh and I'm a Brit now, screw you home office and bigoted brexiters 😁

I'll be good! 😁
I promised! 😆