EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It may be that 'we could have done this while still in the EU' but as the French and Germans have found, the internal pressure to go forward as one, rather than individual countries negotiating was significant.

I reckon a lot of the 'coulda done this in whilst being in the EU' stuff comes down to this. Acting unilaterally would not make you friends. On the vaccines - probably a pariah.

Agree :/

Tough choice for some people:

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All this distracts from the fact that Astra Zeneca made commitments to the EU and the UK government that it couldn't fulfil.

I’m not sure it’s as clear cut as that, the uk is paying x7 more for each Astra Zeneca vaccination than the EU, AZ have massively down graded the amount of vaccine they can deliver to the EU, at the same time there telling the uk they can deliver more.

Wouldn't surprisenif the EU has some murmurings that we were going to do exactly what they were prepared to stop with Article 16. Of course, the lying cunts we have running the government would deny this and play the victim.

Wouldn't surprisenif the EU has some murmurings that we were going to do exactly what they were prepared to stop with Article 16.

Which is what, exactly?

On Friday evening the EU announced it would trigger the clause and introduce the export controls on its vaccines entering Northern Ireland in a bid to prevent the region becoming a backdoor for jabs to be sent to the UK mainland.

On another note; truckload of pigs have die in UK ports waiting to be send to Germany.

That’s very harrowing.

You think the UK has plans to smuggle vaccines out of the EU via NI? Which vaccines? And why would they need to do this?

Terrible. One of (they only?) upshots of brexit will be the end of live animal exports.

Just wondering why they felt they needed to it....

I thought the very same, also less HGV in cities (abet the majority of them go to distributors outside cities).

Fair enough. I think it's incredibly unlikely as the crux of the current issue is the EU not getting vaccines from the UK which they argue are theirs (importantly, the UK is not a party to this argument, although I can't imagine the UK just letting the EU take the vaccines). The restrictions are, for now, posturing. But who knows. Maybe next week we'll find out the EU is denying the shipment of Pfizer vaccines to the UK. At that point maybe they'd try to find alternative ways of getting the vaccines into the country. But I think you'd be hard pressed to make the UK into the villain in that scenario.

They promised the EU they’d use British production facilities if needed

If they did then the EU neglected to get that promise in writing as a term in the contract.

Thought I’d read their contract say the eu would receive vaccines from all eu production sites, with the UK stipulated as an EU site (as it was at the time) even going forward post brexit?

Not for the initial order. That seems to explicitly state EU sources only.

It’s been a busy week for epidemiologists who are also versed in trade agreements, international procurement, and retail derivatives market structure.

Man, what an incredibly original joke! Haven't seen that posted anywhere else on the internet!

To be fair, I posted on another thread that I was embarrassed to even post an opinion on a contract. But the EU wanted the contract to be made public as it would prove then right. It's been made public and it- surprise - it's being read by the public.

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Man, what an incredibly original joke! Haven't seen that posted anywhere else on the internet!

Fair... was meant to be light hearted and not directed at you specifically

Thought I’d read their contract say the eu would receive vaccines from all eu production sites, with the UK stipulated as an EU site (as it was at the time) even going forward post brexit?

No part of the contract that I've read says that. Clause 5.4 says that the vaccine may be manufactured anywhere in the EU or UK. It does not say which sites in the UK / EU will be used to supply the EU order. No clause in the contract does as far as I can recall.

Ah ok. So in 5.4 where it says best reasonable efforts to fulfil the EU vaccine order using EU sites including UK, they're legally not required to ship from UK sites even if production capacity there greatly exceeds the EU mainland sites?

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On here? I need to see.

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