EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

R U out yet?

Waiting for the mob with pitchforks may be two years :p

That Pilger article is brilliant:

http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to-europe

He's married to a foreigner, doesn't that disqualify him in our new less caring Society?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt#Personal_life

Bruce MacKinnon is the cartoonist for the Chronicle Herald, the paper we got at home when I was growing up in Nova Scotia, he really does amazing work.

I liked it right up until the last paragraph. It was a little Cartesian.

He's married to a foreigner, doesn't that disqualify him in our new less caring Society?

As is Farage don't forget.

But don't worry it's the GOOD kind of foreigner! Not from East Europe or Muslim or a furrgner from further...shifting the goalposts/special pleading... ;)

I don't think the attitude to Greece and Britain compare really.
Greece got punished without economic reason because punishing it played well in German constituencies.
In Britain's case I don't really see what option the EU has but to go for a punitive settlement. They're not stupid. The people who have something to gain from Brexit are the economically hyper-liberal. They want to do away with regulation on the environment, worker and human rights and have access to a free market within Europe and the rest of the world. All the advantages with none of the rules. That's the Norway solution some tories are now trying to sell. It's the neo-liberal dream.
If they pull that one off, the EU crumbles for sure. The EU's best shot is holding on, waiting for the populist right to mood to change and pointing to a Britain in recession as a case study in what not to do.

Yep,
unbelievable isn't it?
Another 'job' the British found unpalatable.
(Believe Mrs. Farage is also his salaried MEP office manager).

In what way?

No it's not.

Rejoice,
the disgraced Liam Fox has thrown his hat into the Tory leadership contest.
Will the media remind the people of his familiar, the Werritty?
A strong leader of the Tories would not just have sacked him,
but had a quiet word with his local constituency to have him de-selected.

Farage addressing his fellow MEPs.
Numerous bridges being torched.
Rnige helping those 'informal negotiations'.

I'm not sure why Greece got punished. Some say it was gambling on interest rates by the ECB in the benefit of Germany. If that's true, it's still a shitty thing to do.

But yes a Brexit will benefit the hyper-liberal deregulation team.

There's a risk though of the EU losing its shit and throwing the baby out with the bathwater due to extended UK arrogance. I am hoping they will sit tight and not pull the "oh look you people wanted this, it's democracy, fuck you" attitude.

But if they do, perhaps the UK has only itself to blame. I am hoping they read further and realize it's the neo-lib powers to blame.

The most effective propagandists of the "European ideal" have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21st century zeitgeist, even "cool". What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as "neoliberalism".

The aim of this extremism is to install a permanent, capitalist theocracy that ensures a two-thirds society, with the majority divided and indebted, managed by a corporate class, and a permanent working poor. In Britain today, 63 per cent of poor children grow up in families where one member is working. For them, the trap has closed. More than 600,000 residents of Britain's second city, Greater Manchester, are, reports a study, "experiencing the effects of extreme poverty" and 1.6 million are slipping into penury.

Well said Mr Pilger.

Strawman much?

How does he explain that that social inequality isn't replicated in Germany or France?

Pilger's calling everything that's bad with Britain what's bad with the EU. Then he's calling everything that's bad there what's bad about the metropolitan elite which equates to people who read the Guardian.
Syriza ignored a referendum result in Greece not because it feared that there was more suffering for people outside the EU than inside, but because (in common with Guardian readers in London) they went to university.
Everyone he doesn't like is saying or thinking the thoughts of someone else he doesn't like, they just don't realise it.

On the Today programme Corbyn made the unforgivable mistake of not saying what John Pilger would've said.
Then a fantasy that the incoherent and contradictory voices within Brexit are an incohate version of what John Pilger's been saying all along. They just need time to get there.

Then a final scold that all of us should be thinking about what he's thinking about: Russia.

The guy's a child.

That was quite a speech, we're leaving because you're shit and you know you are. With a touch of whose laughing now?

Pilger may be right about the issues, but wrong thinking leaving the EU will magically fix this and that this was "a blow for peace in Europe".

Haha yeah sure...

(EU moves near Russia were obv. a moronic idea)

So yeah a new no-lib gov will help all these protest voters. The UK is the only areas with REDUCED social mobility in the EU. That's all the EUs fault obv.

Farage accusing his fellow mps of not creating any jobs, they create and invent thousands of jobs for their friends and family. What's he on about.

Astonishing, the kind of partisan oaf who should never be involved in negotiations.
First, signal, to find some common ground, if any exists.

If you can get to the end of this video, you're a braver man than me...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36650014

All rage.

They want to do away with regulation on the environment, worker and human rights and have access to a free market within Europe and the rest of the world. All the advantages with none of the rules. That's the Norway solution some tories are now trying to sell. It's the neo-liberal dream.

This does in no way whatsoever describe the situation in Norway. I reckon most people you ask would say Norway is doing OK in the worker rights department.
EU rules do apply in Norway, that's the condition for access to the single market. Anything else would be unfair competition.

The Tory rightwing/brexitter/free marketeers have always had their knickers in a twist over the Working Time Directive, which as Francis O'Grady pointed out, first gave 2million UK prt-time workers holiday pay.
'Less regulation/less red tape' is their shorthand for repealing the WTD.
The pre-Article 50/'informal negotiations' will be all about weaselling out of the WTD,
at a minimum.