EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I only ever dip in and out of some of those Porsche threads but it always surprises me how political they get.

Also to bring it back on topic, I loved the repetition in that thread of the whole; "they'll never put a 10% tax on German cars" argument...

....on a Porsche thread...

... posing the question as to whether you can get a decent spec car for <£120K...

...where people routinely talk about spending k's on aesthetic extras with an assumption that paying above RRP for something is a financially astute choice.

It utterly baffles me why people think that customers aren't going to pay an extra 10% premium on premium cars in a world of finance so cheap that paying cash costs you more.

Seriously what are all these Porsche and BMW buyers going to do? Buy Hyundai Coupes and Mondeos?

Edit: Misread your post, ignore this...

Well-off Conservative voters over a certain age are also not affected in the Covid happiness survey reported by TheGuardian.

They started off optimistic, and they are still are. Well derr, no money worries, no job loss to worry about... can lock yourself in and just get everything delivered, the future is fine.

Middle incomes of age 45-55 and female working class voters are getting more gloomy compared to March.

If that Con lot is the main pistonheads membership, good luck... :)

It's not good money unless you're a gun picker and I never saw any of the Brit backpackers that were gun pickers. Most would smash a day, be totally fucked, spend all their money that night on beer (and the sunscreen they forgot as three layers of skin peels away) and not return to the job, presumably asking M&D for more money as there was "just no work for me"...

Yeah, I never really understood why it's such a common job for backpackers as in mainland Europe it's seen as typical exploitation work, hence why besides backpackers you only ever see illegal immigrants working there. Maybe it's different in places like Australia where this seems so common, I don't know.

You can earn good money, but even the good local pickers tended to be the type that would piss most of it away of an evening. Oh, and all this is based on 25+ yo knowledge. Most of the vineyards got paid out to shut down and the wine grape production is now done on a massive scale by SouthCorp (I think). They removed the need to manual labour and smaller independent growers and can better control crop quality yada yada. A few smaller growers still operate but it's more boutique and hobbyist level stuff. The big guys that ship all that Aussie piss to Tesco are doing it on a much larger scale nowadays.

Back then, the GBP was also 3 x AUD so whatever savings backpackers had would go a lot further.

Same.

In Australia I get why you'd want to work as it's so expensive, but why not do something that earns more money. Some guys I knew spunked most their money within a few weeks of being in Sydney. But then got well paying jobs as furniture removers. Seems like a much better idea.

Also this may be offensively naïve, but aren't these fruit places in the arse end of nowheres? It's not like you're in a vineyard overlooking the Gironde within a moderate cycle of loads of stuff.

Elsewhere I've never got it at all. "Free" board? You earn loads more in your country of origin, so why not just work an extra week in the UK?

Didn't it used to be a condition of getting the visa? You could go for 3 months but if you wanted to stay in Aus longer you had to so some farm work?

Well derr, no money worries

Relatively recently I got really into different psychological "types" and their reactions to things like Brexit, etc.

From the little bits I read and listened too, I'm no longer convinced it's just about a realistic appraisal of your personal circumstances that dictates how you view these things.

Of course if you're being spit-roasted by current events it's more likely to give you a negative outlook. But I think there's a lot more to it than that.

If you want a second year of a visa you have to do something like 3 months of fruit picking or similar shit jobs. Obviously it's a scheme ripe for exploitation and there have been a variety of scandals associated with it.

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Taffy66 owns around three quarters of a million pounds of supercars, and styles himself as a Welsh hill farmer. I assume he's a hobby farmer, or he'd be jetting liquid faeces down his bare shivering legs at the prospect of losing his entire export market whilst his domestic market has no tariffs on NZ imports.

Hey ho. Gammons going to Gammon.

'Solutions not barriers'

The solution would have been just not to bother putting all these barriers up in the first place.

Also, 'Hop picking in Kent in summer' has some degree of romanticism that 'Fish processing in Aberdeen in February' really lacks.

...outrageous welfare state! offering holiday! (even if it is to go hop picking...)

Love the optimism that our fishing industry will be so effective with no export market, that there will be profit a-plenty to subsidise week-day lodgings for remote workers...

And don't forget the cost of travel from Sunderland to Aberdeen etc. Train tickets alone would wipe out their monthly salary.

Yeah - as if the owners of the Fish processing plant hadn't thought that they'd prefer to operate on a local, permanent workforce rather that a transitory one but can't possibly do it given their margins. Or that providing a Cadbury's style subsidisation of their workforce is somehow significantly different to a welfare state.

I've stopped engaging with these types of Gammon, it just infuriates me. A lot of them seem to live in Warwickshire and be friends with my parents. Whatever it was that caused Brexit, I don't think they're the spectrum of the vote that we should be trying to fix - they're fine, and probably not as numerous as their voices suggest. Let them live with their Mail and their gold clubs (and super cars).

Remote workers who will be paying their mortgage back in Sunderland, and I imagine supporting their wife and children, with the proceeds of for e.g. Herring filleting (or squid cleaning, or whatever).

I think the reality is that the processing industry will wither and we'll sell fish direct, although that may require that each fishing vessel has a vet on board for the SPS declarations. Luckily vets are cheap and plentiful, there are probably loads assembling Quashquais (sp?) right now who can be repurposed.

'Hop picking in Kent in summer' has some degree of romanticism that 'Fish processing in Aberdeen in February' really lacks.

As many free fish heads as you can eat after work.

No snacking while you're working allowed then?

Agree, money worries is not the only part of it. Though on Brexit this came up, and people worried about money =irregardless of socioeconomic class as defined by the ONS= were less like to vote for it. On a pension though, mah, nothing will change for you, neither if you are really well off.

Those people also have more faith in the government not making an utter ballsup, but people often don't shift views (cos it is a lot of thinking, which most people don't like) until something major happens. Or unless they are self-interest only people and happily flap in the moral wind, whatever suits.

Which to them won't happen, because all the shit that is going down economically they can avoid. And they also believe in unicorn Brexit. And the culture wars.

So their values are aligned with the government and nothing will force them to rethink.

All other groups all shifted, but they didn't. Now if the government starts betraying their values/they don't think Covid is handled well anymore, they may shift.

As many free fish heads as you can eat after work.

uh... None? thanks.

2 year working holiday visa. 1 year working, 1 year holidaying. In theory.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/12/mps-reject-calls-by-campaigners-to-enshrine-food-safety-in-uk-law?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Government rejects call to enshrine standards in law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54515026

And Irish sea border will double price of getting a stilton wheel from England. Big supermarkets want concessions on EU checks... Well if they get them, so should the small cheese shop.

Nothing but good news 🙄

And Irish sea border will double price of getting a stilton wheel from England

Should be eating Galtee anyway.