EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Lol thanks, I knew two years of studying the history of political thought was a waste of time

Does rather look that way, yep. Have you tried cycle training?

'Liberal' in this country is following the usage in the US meaning 'not of my political tribe'.

That's wrong on both counts. That's not how it's used in the US, and that's not how it's used here.

In the US it means socially liberal or progressive. Here it generally means centrist, although that's obviously not hard-and-fast.

There are many people - mostly the socially liberal or progressive - in the US who wear the term with pride and would, in many cases, probably get on with many of the people here who use it pejoratively.

I've never seen it used as a catchall for the "other" politically.

In the US it means socially liberal or progressive. Here it generally means centrist,

...those 2 positions being quite close on any generalised scale.

Some would say that most US "centrist" positions aren't actually centrist at all but are, in fact, just bog-standard neoliberal, trickle-down-economics, positions without the overt nationalism or racism.

reasonably expat friendly

Immigrant. The word you should use is immigrant, not expat.

Or don’t ever use immigrant at all, just expat.

Emigrant?

Je suis un émigré?

Maybe. For me expat says you started somewhere else, immigrant sounds close to being “other”.

That's the point?
Spain is "expat" friendly but not always "immigrant" friendly. The difference often seems to come down to which direction you arrived from: North/West or South/East.

Or is Luxembourg friendly to all varieties of expats?
Yeah, I dunno which word is better. Doesn't really matter I guess so long as you don't use different ones for different people like the papers.

Expat is white people.

But is it better for brown people to be expats, or white people to be immigrants?
Doesn't really matter surely, so long as we accept they're the same.

I always thought it was to do with "im" as a prefix meaning "inward" (implant/implicate) and "ex" as a prefix meaning "outward" (excavate/exclude/exit). So a person who comes to your country is an immigrant and a person who goes from your country to somewhere else is an expat.

But maybe I'm just reinterpreting a bit of passive racism in a nicer way

It's weird. Immigrant seems to the code word for "here to escape something" whereas expat has connotations of "got transferred here by work."

I was the latter, but consider myself the former.

In Australia it means people like Tony Abbott ...

"got transferred here by work."

Or chose to come here. Spouse, retirement, chasing that life fulfilling dream which is definitely not about basic survival and opportunities. A choice. Exotic, like.

Expats are emigrants, but that sounds too much like immigrants for people living in British communes in Spain, so they call themselves expats so they can do the same thing but still hate immigration.

Literally (etymologically?) yes, of course.
But we also use "expat" to refer to people who might not be from our country, not left /here/ but left Australia, the USA, other European countries, to go somewhere else.

Surely if one is an immigrant, one is also an emigrant? In order to come into a country, one has to have left another one?

Yeah, but it also matters who's doing the talking about that person and where they're from, the country they came from or where they went to, in as much as any of it matters at all.

Saw this on another forum

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... run by Counts?

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A forum about old things?

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