EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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She was a fence sitter who thought that the status quo was less damaging than change.

Her luke warm support of Dave was probably driven by her distaste of him, Osborn and his ilk.

She wanted to make her way to the top, and being luke warm was the best way to do that. She's horrible.

To be fair Gatwick is a big story and Parliament is on holiday till the New Year so no bickering/misogynistic name calling is happening.

Nothing has happened for the past two years apart from bickering which has got louder.

Corbyn has always been anti EU in alliance with much of the old left.

I think it's wrong to assume Corbyn is now the same as he has 'always been'. I'm certain that he is genuine when he says 'remain and reform' rather than 'leave'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-leaving-eu

This is not because he is necessarily in favour of it, but because there's still the referendum result. I also think he genuinely believes that it would be wrong to engineer moves to try to rescind it.

“I was extremely angry: the last point I’d made was, they’d suddenly found £4bn to prepare for no deal. £4bn. At the same time, police officers have lost their jobs; 100,000 vacancies in the NHS, a housing crisis; a homeless man dies on the steps of Westminster; and she and the Conservative party turned the whole thing into some pantomime joke,” he said.

Conservative MPs challenged Corbyn’s claim that he muttered “stupid people” and not “stupid woman”, as many viewers of video footage believed.

But he was unrepentant. “It’s interesting their sudden concern about these matters. Where is their concern about the homeless people of this country?” he said, repeatedly jabbing a finger on the table to emphasise his point.

“Where is their concern about universal credit? Where is their concern about 200,000 children living in poverty in this country?”

What do the other papers say?

Unfortunately I think you're fundamentally right. Post edited for clarity.

I would appreciate hearing something like this for EU citizens in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/22/uk-nationals-in-berlin-given-assurance-of-residency-in-event-of-no-brexit-deal

Agreed. I'd also like to see it in other European countries to Brits.

Settled status has been guaranteeed.

But: Family reunification is limited
Voting rights have been removed
British partners fall under 3rd country EU immigration law for return after withdrawal agreement
Anybody that doesn't register on time becomes "illegal"
Protection of the EJC sunsets after 8 years.
Pensioners from UK and EU fall under 3rd country rules after withdrawal agreement period.
Settled status legislation can be changed without parliamentary debates.

In case of a no deal, family reunification and time to register are limited.

So, meh, pay £65 to become 3rd class. But anybody that wants to stay can. But they MUST register or risk eviction lateron.

And that includes UK born kids with no UK parent.

Netherlands is far in discussions for legislation and so is Germany.

Apparently, no-deal will be simple if we can just get the Irish to adopt Sterling as a main currency alongside the Euro. (You have to click on "More details" to see that little pearl of wisdom).

A worse idea than the previous "Ireland should leave too!" suggestion from, I think, a Tory lord.

Whatever happened to politics being "The art of the possible"? Insisting on the impossible and the insane seems to have become the default.

Insisting on the impossible and the insane seems to have become the default.

That's because power has shifted from the intelligent if morally bankrupt (politicians) to the stupid and morally bankrupt (the general population).

The EU border in Ireland to be managed simply by having a dual Euro / pound currency as legal tender in both the North and South. Exports to the South would be dealt with in Euro and vice versa when importing to the North. Rates fixed at time of the deal

Looking at that last line this is surely some insane money making scheme.

For convenience, shall we just say £1 = €1? Maybe we could rename the pound, stop it getting mixed up with an archaic system of weights...

Deadline is April 2019 so a bit tardy!

How bad should I feel being complicit with the trivialisation of something that may have profoundly adverse effects on many lives for years to come? Anyway, 7/12 clearly not paying enough attention ...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/24/is-britain-now-a-vassal-state-test-your-knowledge-with-the-brexit-quiz-of-the-year

No not trivial at all. 7/12 as well.

10/12 and fuck them all into the sea.

So in practise the quid will have to be pegged to the euro for the foreseeable future? Oh sweet, sweet sovereignty.

9/12 should do better.
Best Christmas Brexit comment came from an 85 year old neighbour.

There should be another vote because all those people didn't know what they were voting for last time. If we have another vote and we still vote to leave then I will find a high cliff and jump off it.