EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I have just received an email today from my English-qualified, French residing accountant, that he has just been ordered by the 'Ordre des Experts Comptables' (OEC - the professional organization of Chartered Accountants in France), to stop practising accountancy in France. He's a small husband and wife business and can't afford to fight the case legally, so he's shutting down.

When he registered to do accountancy in France (in 2009), the EU had just passed a law saying that foreign qualifications within the EU must be accepted by all the countries that were part of the union. Now that the UK are leaving, the OEC have declared that he cannot continue to practise accountancy in France, and have threatened to prosecute him if he doesn't stop immediately.

So I've lost my accountant, and my accountant and his wife have lost their livelihood. Thanks again Dave, Nigel, Boris, etc.

But it's the price that has to be paid for making all the EU nationals working in the NHS fuck off back home. Errrrr. Cake?

I believe something similar would happen with teachers in France as they are classed as civil servants and all civil servants there have to be from an EU country.

How come they're telling him that with immediate effect? I mean, technically the UK has not left quite yet, so what's the legal basis for this?

Holyrood to reject the draft Brexit deal, and no-deal: https://miro.medium.com/max/754/1*snTXFElFuQLSFDnvZKJ6IA.png

Full brexit legal advice

Indeed. And my reading is that on balance Brexit is still more likely than no Brexit, if seemingly becoming less likely by the day.

Sorry, thank you.

Apparently 1350 a day are going as it stands.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html

That's it? Six pages? I was all set to say tl;dr

Sums up brexit preparations all round really...

Aw :(

Are they willing to fundraise and ask the British in Europe (citizen charity that fights for Brits abroad) for help?

I'm sure people will chip in! EU nationals the UK that were starving cos the DWP screwed them on benefits got help too.

I know a few people in the activist circles if they are willing to go that way.

DUP asking some awkward questions during PMQs...

Guess that £1Bn was well spent.

@SwissChap, yes that was my first thought, but I haven't spoken to him personally yet to get full details. I guess they (the EOC) have made the demand early on to everyone they can find in that situation, and it's then up to the recipients to decide whether to fight it or not.

@JWestland - Will pm you for more info...

More from the BBC Brexit Salt mines

Remainers who constantly lump leave voters into one category and tarr them with so many brushes whats the difference between those sorts of generalizations and saying things like 'Asians dont drive well' or 'all muslims are extreme' ??. Absolutely nothing you bigots. Dont think yourself any more rightious than anybody else. Hypocrites.

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May is 100% a Remainer. Her deal has been exposed as 100% Brino.
The first priority should now be to find a suitable person to enact the will of the people as expressed in the largest vote this country has ever seen.

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MPs should reject the deal. Leave in March with No Deal & then negotiate when the EU realise how much they need us ! Last time I checked there were more than 160 non EU countries in the worrld - they will all want to trade with us - especially if we offer them better terms than the EU !

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It has been noticeable all along that Mr Barnier and his advisers have been woefully short of ideas in these negotiations.
We should have made it clear long ago that it was also the responsibility of Europe to resolve trade arrangements and border issues between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. We represent one side of the border, and the EU should represent the other.

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I have run out of intelligent things to say about brexit.
Should I join the leave camp now?

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I am also curious if @Oliver Schick still thinks this after yesterday.

Yes. I still haven't seen anything to convince me that May's demise is imminent. Obviously, the big question is whether she'll get 'The Deal%$@!¬*&' through Parliament. If she does, she's set to stay (and the aforementioned Great Triumph will have been play-acted). If not, then there's still a chance they won't replace her. Rees-Mogg might get his letters of no confidence together if she loses the vote, so that might happen, but I'm still can't see enough Tory MPs voting against her. But, as ever, I really have no good understanding of this and I hope I'm wrong.

WillMelling:

It's Keir Starmer and it's not it's fullness. Your word cloud would be a national embarrassment.

You clearly didn't proofread Fox's post in its entirety. :)

It has now clearly been established by someone in Europe that the UK has the right to self-withdraw from Article 5o though, so that's something.

It's still awaiting the final ruling from the ECJ, though.

What remainers therefore have to hope is that somehow MPs will actually make a sensible decision ahead of a hard Brexit and either pull it entirely or take it to the electorate who, seeing what's on offer, will collectively issue a resigned sigh and vote by more than 50% to not take the risk even if they're not exactly enamoured with Europe.

... and there would then still be the cancer of inequality, which many believe is caused by 'globalisation', for which in Europe they hold the EU responsible. What will be done about that?

Meanwhile dashing Sir Keir Starmer (KCB, QC, 56) has pulled off an incredible political feat by getting Parliament to find the government in contempt,

I'm not sure it's an 'incredible feat'. I think it's a necessary feat, as the Government very clearly was in contempt, and it is, of course, a good thing that it has been found to be, and there's a hope that May won't continue to cause all this pointless additional work in her pettifogging obstructive way.

However, I think May has survived worse scandals in her treatment of Parliament before and the Tories held firm on those; it was only because in this instance Labour and 'Brexit'eer interests were briefly aligned that she lost. I also don't think that what has come out is really particularly remarkable. Sure, seeing it in black-and-white confirms the 'Brexit'eers' suspicions, but that's about it. Will it influence their voting behaviour? All in all, it was probably at best a small skirmish and at worst a total red herring.

Andrea Leadsom

Showing her class again:

In a defiant interview on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Leadsom, the leader of the House, said any MP who had ambitions of being in government at some point in the future would “live to regret” the contempt vote that forced the government to publish its full Brexit legal advice.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/05/may-to-publish-brexit-legal-advice-as-tories-urge-change-of-course

Meanwhile Liam Fox has just said there is a risk MPs might "steal Brexit from the British people" which suggests that he really still doesn't seem to get it, because why would anyone steal something which nobody seems to want.

Plenty of people want 'Brexit'. They may not be in a majority at the moment, or they may be for all I know, but plenty of people want it. Your 'which nobody seems to want' is clear evidence of your London Italian bubble. :)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/05/unite-leader-warns-labour-against-backing-second-eu-referendum

And that's the problem in a nutshell really - despite all the evidence very powerful figures within Labour strongly oppose FoM and will countenance huge economic harm (which will hit Union members hardest) in order to get rid of it.

What is it about brexiters and the inability to distinguish between criticism of an action/belief and criticism of a race/gender/sexual orientation?

The issue is that loads of people still want Brexit, and no one is doing anything to convince them staying is anything other than a betrayal of their successful vote.
If we end up staying, and that is recorded as being Labours choice and decision, it won't help them. Ideally if we're gonna stay it needs to be with Theresa in charge so the papers can blame her for the betrayal, then labour can mop up.

Ideally if we're gonna stay it needs to be with Theresa in charge so the papers can blame her for the betrayal, then labour can mop up.

Cakeism+

Ah thanks, I'd missed that on the ECJ.

I'm not sure I get the link with inequality but I do know it's worse here than in Italy - 20% v. 8.4%. And the Italian government tried to reduce it by running a 2.4% budget deficit next year so they could pay a limited universal basic income, including benefits to the unemployed (not an unreasonable ask you might think), but were stymied by the EU. Which is therefore not very popular in Italy right now.

What Starmer did is in parliamentary terms was genuinely historic. It's the first time the House has found ministers in contempt of Parliament, ever, and the full legal advice is not usually given out, so not only is it unprecedented for the government to be found in contempt but it's a fundamental constitutional convention that neither the fact, nor the content, of Law Officers’ advice is disclosed outside Government without the Law Officers’ consent.

When the legal advice was published yesterday Lord Keen of Elie claimed for the government that "The release of this advice does not set a precedent for any future release of Law Officers' advice." That's clearly not the case IMO but IANAConstitutionalL.

Yes I agreed with @aggi on the stealing Brexit bit, I was just letting my own opinion in there.