EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

will the EU listen?

Listen to what?

there will be an extension to March 2020.......and then another after that......

After May's lovely queue jumping chat today, it also looks that the UK is backtracking on promises that everyone could stay. Details in the link, I'll go dig out my wallet. FFS. I am not affected, I will go for British citizenship next year and can even get a visa if needed, but they always pick on the vulnerable the bunch of assholes.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/eucitsguarantee/?fbclid=IwAR28zZNACpCY66BhdKncK7mCr5ZP1k1oPu81Ncmw2_Cnq6rtdvdGcuP-8y8

She's talking about the continuation of free movement, surely.

Well, let's pick that apart

1: does the UK need to end FOM to end the nasty visa system for 3rd country nationals? no
2: did I "jump a queue", no, because there was no queue to jump
3: does the still stick to quota nobody agrees with? yep
4: Windrush and the hostile environment...her again
5: the UKs visa system which means people now can't change job w/o employee sponsorship, meaning people can get stuck in nasty abusive jobs...because they can't just change job, hm, under whose watch was this?

It is really a nasty way to discuss reform of the immigration system, which now will just make it harder for everyone, instead of better for everyone. Maybe she just mean ending FOM but wow, some way to discuss it

The thing about EU immigration policy is that they can do whatever they want as people affected can never vote (kinda like how they treat under 18s).

Sad thing is although commonwealth citizens can vote I presume most have the neo-liberal concept of 'I got through fine now lets shut the gates' mentality and vote tory.

You mean only Irish EU citizens can vote? Yep totally.

A lot of commonwealth citizens saw through the bull, some did vote Brexit.
Sometimes to make it easier for their birth country mates, I can understand that. Visa system is expensive. But of course the EU wasn't the cause...

I can't find statistics, just some articles.

One was quite funny he was pissed off cos he says the Polish staff he has work harder than his birth country mates and he slagged of his birth country people as lazy!

The worst of every world. That level of uncertainty is going to kill investment.

My money is on that being where Rees Mogg's money is.

Yeah, that rebate has to go.
There was no moral justification for it in the first place. And if UK is allowed to keep it after reversing Article 50, you might set a worrying precedent where a country will start a hissy fit and threaten to leave, only to change their mind at the last minute in exchange for a some perk or disc0unt.

Spain threatening to block the draft Brexit withdrawal deal without a clarification of the text on future talks on the status of Gibraltar.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46267684

I guess everything is here is focused on May getting the bill through parliament. It does still also need to have the EU-27 agree it first. Its a point I keep forgetting.

wow imagine all the gammons if the eu refuse to let us leave

Problem is, it wont be refusing to let us leave, it'll be refusing to let us leave with a deal that goes a little way to limit the damage. if Spain block the deal (or anyone else) then No deal or maybe remain would be the only options.

remain would be the only options

As if Spain are going to welcomenus back with Gibraltar remaining British...

yup. nice catch 22. so no deal it is then. JRM will be happy

I remember brexit night, the first vote in was from Gibraltar: 96% remain , 4% leave on a turn out of 84% of the registered voters.

So... Would they want to become Spanish suddenly?....I would

My money is on that being where Rees Mogg's money is.

Dublin. His hedge fund recently got approval to operate funds in EIRE.

I meant his payoff is based on brexit uncertainty and carnage, as opposed to any clear deal / no deal situation.

I meant his payoff is based on brexit uncertainty and carnage, as opposed to any clear deal / no deal situation.

totally this

Gotcha. And I agree. Volatility is great for hedgies. Stable growth not so much.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/peer-lord-immigration-native-britons-bloody-stupid-kerr-migration-a7425336.html

oh...dear!!! I don't think that is a particular pleasant way to express oneself.
[he did also say the referendum was won on xenophobia and more reasonable things]

Smoked gammons however are always fun to laugh at.

"“To say the British people are stupid and then to suggest that housing has nothing to do with immigration displays such profound stupidity that one wonders why he lectures other people."

yeah lol the immigration report from the government already concluded immigration was a minor factor.

Keep going... ;)

that article is two years old?

I remember brexit night, the first vote in was from Gibraltar: 96% remain , 4% leave on a turn out of 84% of the registered voters.

Yeah, but what about the Democratic mandate

(no, not that Democratic mandate though ...)

terminally fucking bored of thinking about all this needless shite.

If Farage wants to don khaki and pick up a rifle let him. Seeing him gunned down by Police marksmen live on TV seems a proportionate and fitting end to this hopeless act of international self immolation on the part of our revered leaders.

When you have a problem, such as lack of understanding, make sure you attack your opposite party for the same thing to distract from your problem--Trump's tactic on just about everything.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/20/pms-defeatist-brexit-deal-based-on-lack-of-understanding

I can't help but detect a certain irony in the name of the BBC's 'Reality Check Correspondent', though. :)