EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

For a friend, obvs...

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-hunt-trump-us-visit-white-house-theresa-may-a8501331.html

Saw the headline for this and was perplexed but thankfully it's appropriate in skewering the wide eyed bodysnatcher

But it doesn't count as a world record, because Westminster can do bits of governing.

What a time to be alive.
"whatever you fucking job is, I am doing my fucking job, I don't like it either sometimes, therefore so can you" as an Aussie parody video aptly put it.

Ack :(
Yeah that is weird, desperation vote?

An OU prof wrote an article about the psychology of Brexit, it seems making a "leave" statement was more attractive than trying to prove the stay statement. He could be wrong, I don't know enough about psychology and they are only experts in their field :)

Am waiting for government advice on which country I should address the question to. But sarcasm aside, I really have no idea. I'll ask the farm worker.

Credit to Sarah Wollaston, Tory MP and former GP. She was part of Vote Leave when it was demonstrated that the £350M bus claim was a lie, a few weeks before the vote. She asked her colleages to stop using the bus, they refused so she resigned from Vote Leave and voted remain instead. She is also a member of the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group.

GP near us has expressed remorse.

I was shocked he fell for the bus in the first place - if there's one group of people who should be used to being lied to and treated as footballs by the Torys, it's NHS employees.

Put another way, why would they change their core principles, diluting them, for a member who is leaving?

Playing devils advocate - because it might be to the overall benefit of its actual citizens.

Or the detriment in the long run

Some core principles benefit citizens. The UK pissing on other EU citizens for example is not something that necessary will benefit other EU citizens.

If the EU dilutes freedom of movement, which is already reliant on having work / money / family reasons, other EU countries may follow to attempt to lock in their citizens or screw over EU state immigrants.

Not that this is so great as everyone will hurt but there's a risk of fewer rights / protection with concessions.

Or the detriment in the long run

Obviously. I don't think either side is really thinking of their citizens first though.

Some trade chat

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1032919155882778625?s=19

EU offered a deal to keep everything the same for UK immigrants. UK turned it down. What can the EU do now?

But in the end as individual you come to the conclusion states don't care. My birth country, pff, I left so it's my problem. Neither do lots of others. Ah well.

You do see that citizens stick together, Brits in the EU, the3million... So there's is that :)

I loved the silence when Captain Brexit was asked if he'd actually read the document he was pontificating about.

Jesus, couple of times I thought the brexit guy had just hung up. There all fucking morons it’s really difficult to see them any other way.

The bit where he goes all high pitched and squeely to clarify about why Japan (independent country) has to have such an onerous clause in their trade deal with the EU - effectively, I guess, giving the EU a veto over its other trade deals.

Because that's what happens to smaller parties in these kind of deals - they come off worse.

Same deal with CETA

Bit late?

Did she change as the rest of the group are liars?

I was very disappointed when I heard. This was years back, but he was a kind of mentor as I went through (and dropped out of) medical school.

I guess the vote came from being at the apex of the older/white/middle class/countryside/gammon demographic, which combined to outweigh the NHS part. Still, it's shifted, and that's something to appreciate if / when the second referendum comes.

Then, because its the bbc and balance it’s all just views from different sides of the debate. The fact that the debate is a bit like stephen hawking discussing physics with a dog, well we’ll ignore that part.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/vince-cable-september-speech-lib-dem-resignation-rumours-2018-8

If he's going to go, then he should go quickly. I haven't really followed his fortunes since becoming leader, but he doesn't seem to have set the world alight... Yet, in spite of that, the Lib Dems have (I think) made a few gains in recent local elections, so there is perhaps some momentum that a leader with a bit more oomph could build on. And the country desperately needs some opposition right now :)

^ interesting news they have been getting votes from labour remainers and ex Tory voters so more appeal is welcome. Don't mention the university fees 😂 (that labour introduced)

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/politics/tories-strip-right-equality-eu-withdrawal-bill/22/11/

Not unexpected at all for anybody who has followed May / the Tories before brxit.

Still it seems the pessimistic predictions are becoming true...

University fees are interesting... I saw Nick Clegg talk about that (among other things) a while ago. He described how it was designed as a tax of redistribution, with the intention being that money recovered from those paying for higher education would be allocated to improving education at younger ages. The argument was that better intervention at early stages of life was thought to have the greatest (positive) impact on people's life outcomes. When viewed in those terms, it can give you pause for thought as to its merits. (Doubtless Cameron and Osborne spunked the cash from fees on some tax giveaway for their mates while making sure Clegg got a good kicking.)

Never thought about it that way, that's interesting.

My concern is that they simply got too high, £8000 a year? That's a 24K for 3 years so you have to save our £1000 a year from birth. Not something everyone can do.

They (or at least Clegg) would have done better by calling it a graduate tax if that's what he intended it to be, whilst also pushing for increased spending on early years education at the same time to try to sell it better. I don't remember him doing these things.

However, other politicians have got away with breaking promises more severe than Cleggs. I guess the Tories want to perpetuate it as a permanent stain on his (and lib dems) characters.

Current undergraduate fee is capped at £9250 per year in England and Wales, 'rising with inflation'. On the horizon, expect 'differential' fees instead of a universal cap.