EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

what time does nigel farridge take to the streets with his rifle?

Probably worth listening to the beginning of his LBC show tonight for the LOLZ

Asked to name a concession EU has made, Barnier says he is not "at this stage insisting the UK should repay the removal costs" for EU agencies.

#sickburn

yeah that's probably not gonna happen.

edited highlights?

Is the outcome of yesterday/last night's talks, as well as the general Ireland/NI issue, indicative of a possible/probable move towards a Norway-style system?

If so, I can't help but think, then what's the bloody point (I mean, I thought that before...).

So little will have changed; the harder of Brexiters' desires and grievances won't have been satiated; and we will have just spent a few years pissing away money and pissing people off.

I'd think at the moment the money is on Canada - a large FTA with fuck-all for services.

Canada wouldn't fit the Ireland criteria.

Farage: "Frankly, there have been no negotiations. We've waited months and months and we've agreed to all the things that the EU insisted on"

Canada wouldn't fit the Ireland criteria.

Barnier said earlier that all the UK could have was Canada, but as you say that doesn't meet the Irish criteria, which must mean no deal or Norway I guess.

But the border conditions rule out no deal.

I'm really curious as to what his preferred course of action would be, and whether he'd acknowledge it would most likely be a) politically impossible, and b) economically bonkers

But the border conditions rule out no deal.

What was agreed today still depends on a deal being struck - it doesn't exist as it's own legal construct. It makes a deal much more likely, but doesn't guarantee one. Is my understanding, anyway.

Rees-Mogg might come up with his unicorn - a way of having no border in Ireland, that Ireland will agree to, that isn't CU+SM. If he and his fellow cunts don't find their unicorn then we fail onto SM+CU, and presumably Norway as an output - or we fail onto the kamikaze Brexit, and Ireland has to build a wall to comply with the rules of their EU membership.

Or the UK has to sort this, but where is the money going to come from to do running custom checks?

Cameras will be broken out of protest, doesn't matter what side of the border you put them, Switzerland said they still need to do checks even with pre-clearance, if the UK doesn't allow FOM then it will have to be hard checks or we will see people smuggling from Ireland along with goods smuggling.

That means exploitation of "illegal" immigrants (illegal, what a word for people...) with all the hurt that brings. Clusterfuck.

Customs checks are not in any way possible unless everyone agrees, which they can't and won't because half of NI doesn't want to get further from RoI and the other half doesn't want to get further from GB.

Or we could just stay, not pay the divorce bill and get on with the rest of our lives?

Canada wouldn't fit the Ireland criteria.

DAG agrees

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That's what she SAID but does that mean

It will be a Norway Brexit (waste of time, loss of Euroclearings, still economic downturn, but OK...it saves massive mystery in NI/for people)
OR
It will be some weird fudge

Because the word "norway" or "single market" is not mentioned...

https://britishineurope.org/response-to-sufficient-progress-report/

"The UK wasted a precious opportunity to take up the EU’s comprehensive offer on citizens’ rights back in June. Instead, they decided to link the status of EU nationals in the UK to immigration, which resulted in the subsequent horse trading and significantly worse status that we all may face now."

Waiting for the 3million statement.

I'm curious, if the Norway style - would that negate the need for the £40 billion (TBC) exit bill? Would it just turn into new rolling contributions?

Suppose that could be worded as a success if the government so desired... 'we managed to get the bill reduced to zero!'

https://twitter.com/brianmlucey/status/939097342724198400?s=09

despite my LBC sniffiness, this is gold.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-response-to-racist-brexit-voter/

featuring the classic "i'm not racist but not enough white faces at the hospital and supermarket."

ftr - i AM a massive racist.

I'm curious, if the Norway style - would that negate the need for the £40 billion (TBC) exit bill? Would it just turn into new rolling contributions?

Suppose that could be worded as a success if the government so desired... 'we managed to get the bill reduced to zero!'

It's not an exit bill - it's us agreeing to pay what we'd already committed to, whilst members of the EU. So there was never a way of avoiding paying it - other than walking out on our debts, which would have ruined our ability to raise capital so would have ultimately been unthinkable.

So no - we'll continue to pay, we just lose any influence over the laws and institutions we're paying for.

you're far more accommodating than i'm prepared to be.

that "my kids couldn't get a job because teh coloured folk" was utter fantasy. even if it was true, there's nothing to suggest those folks working the tills weren't as british as he was.

nah, fuck him.

Its now "I get paid less because non coloured folk with funny accents do the work cheaper than me", isn't it?

Indeed, agreed - I probably was a bit lazy with my words there - or at least put 'exit bill' into quotation marks, as I had my pretending-to-be-the-government hat on :)

I think the thing that JOB was trying to get at was that India and Pakistan - last time I looked, anyway - were not members of the EU's FoM area.

So leaving the EU wasn't going to a) make all the brown/* people go away and/or b) stop anymore brown people coming.

/* From India and/or Pakistan