Tubeless Tyres -"saying the same things about tubeless tyres over and over again" Hippy read the first f**king post

Tanwall Tubeless:

I was running Compass Bon Jons - worked fine - had a natural maximum pressure of about 60psi - much more and they would start to leak a bit but then stabilise.

Gravel king SKs in 'Brownwall' have been running tubeless at 60-70 psi comfortably

Both are big fat 35c so fine at these pressures.

Am after some 28c brown wall file tread gravel kings next...

Did you just get the folding Gravel Kings? Its hard to find conformed tubeless ones.

"official" tubeless gravel kings are only the 43mm SK ones.

running non tubeless tyres tubeless at road pressures always comes at a risk Mikey5000. O.K for MTB tyres at 20 to 30 psi. 60 psi may or may give problems in the long run. depending on the rim, pressure and tyre the tyre may unseat/blow off. then again it may not. Not a risk I would take with anything other than some MTB tyres.

Sure about that? According to them, they make tubed and tubeless versions.

https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/gravel.html

ahh my bad, they added a 38mm Gravel King SK apparently.

And I assumed we are talking about 700c only, right?

Well yes and no, but no and yes.

Am after some 28c brown wall file tread gravel kings next...

You could go for these: https://global.bluelug.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=fairweather+traveler

same rubber compound and tread as Gravel Kings, but with tan wall instead of brown wall.

Yes - folding SKs

Those do look nice - but a bit 'Fair weather'! Are they tubeless ready?

I'm looking to put them on my wet weather commuter/ winter trainer - a Bowman Pilgrims with PDW guards - i'm imaging file tread gravel kings will be fairly sturdy.

They'll be replacing some very holey Pro Ones and running tubeless.

I don't have any experience with the travelers, but the Fairweather CX by CG model I got runs perfect tubeless.

It seems they are like the normal gravel kings, officially not tubeless but work anyway.

I'm looking to put them on my wet weather commuter

The sidewalls are going to be black after about a week anyway.

Ha Yes - very true.

Consider the Schwalbe 'Pro' range:

For a 28c tubeless (i.e. Pro One) it's 2 x 275g = 550g
For a 28c 'normal' + tubes (i.e. Pro) it's 2 x (245g + 105g) = 700g

Add 80g to the tubeless for tape/valves/sealant. Tubed tyres will still need tape or Veloplugs, but if you're a weight weenie 105g is some porky tubes. It wouldn't be hard to get the tubed set up below the tubeless.

Not if disc brakes

UK use? They'll be covered in diesel and road grit.

Depends where you ride I think, and also the type of brakes you use - alloy rims+rim brakes, tyres will go black fast. Carbon rims - tan-walls stay tan, also with disc brakes.

This is my anecdotal experience anyway.

Are you passing anytime soon? If not I'll call them tomorrow.

Only just saw that^, working like a dawg. What did they say?

Now the proud owner of two bouncing, baby, tubeless tyres...

Now what?

Probably should've ordered some tape and a tubeless valve. Doh! What sort of tubeless valve do I need? Is there a gold standard yet?

Stans works.

Milkits are very good, but expensive and hard to source. Stans valves are overpriced but easily available. There are lots of Stans copies which are much cheaper and do the job just as well.

For tape, some people swear by Gorilla tape, but I use Tesa 4289 (which is basically the same as Stans tape but a gazillion times cheaper). Two layers of tape, cut a hole for the valve, fit the valve, fit tyre, pump up, seat tyre, deflate tyre, add sealant, reflate tyre, give it a spin and go for a ride.

Ah, shit, I'm gonna need a stupid long one still aren't I?

Is that the yellow tape someone mentioned was on ebay? I think I bought a roll of that a while back when I wasn't sure what to tape some rims up with.

Oh oh.

Mine is blue.