Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

Lol. I'm thinking of selling my Whyte 529 2022-23. I also have a friend selling a Rockhopper Elite 2021

the next purchase will round out the collection
yes just one more purchase

Far too much experience on it in our workshop.

It end up behaving like hardened putty after a while, what take a 10 minutes cleaning end up taking 45 minutes.

I've got either 43mm GK sk, or 43 WTB nano's depending on the weather.
haven't got a lot of seatpost showing due to the horizontal top tube on the Kepler so I don't have a great deal of post deflection.
I'm probably just overthinking things though as usual.
it's just a bike ride innit.

I've found this hardening occurs a lot around the jockey wheels of my RD. Is it unique to Muc Off or do all chain lubes end up like this?

Muc-Off stuff is generally awful. Especially their chain lube

Muc-Off came out terribly on ZFC's charts if memory serves me well. I do use their tubeless and cleaning products though. In fact I bought some new bar end plug too kits last night, even though the last time I used one of their bacon strips, it blew out of the tire along with a spray of sealant.

CSB: their chamois cream is rather good, surprisingly.

Mostly A, with a hint of B

I'm >90kg and never had issues with mine (not counting crashes). It has torque values on it for a reason.

Muc-off had a very expensive blue lube that glows under a UV light that was very good in wet weather, but it cost way too much and their regular priced stuff is shit.

I must've been unlucky (or have a knackered torque wrench) as I had to overtorque it to avoid slipping, but I guess saddle position might make a difference too (think I was quite far back at the time so weight not immediately above the post?)

I run an Adamo on it so I'm sitting way forward on it - it's acting like a big lever and still didn't move on me. Did you use the carbon paste between the blades?

Did you put carbon past between them?

Tbh I don't remember but possibly not...

I've a set of crust towel racks I've now got no plans of using. I think I got a far as loose fitting some r785 shifters

That was exactly my experience! At some point it felt like hard plastic and I couldn't even remove it from my chain anymore...
I still have about 100ml left though:/

What do you recommend? I've only ever used cheap oils or mucoff and thought the gumminess was normal - would be good to see that off..

I’ve been using the Shimano lube for ages and it seems to survive the odd tropical thunderstorm pretty well.

I worked on a bike recently that had used MucOff lube, and nothing would remove it. Not even hardcore solvents. Had to inform the owner they would need a new drivetrain, after an hour of cleaning I was no closer to removing the dried hard plastic goop
A friend helped them develop one of their cleaners, and even he said it can't remove their own lube when it gets like that

I'm surprised to hear so much hate about MucOff. Apart from their wet lube which is pretty useless in the rain, I had a positive experience with their products (cleaning, that fancy lube, sealant).

Maybe you're holding it wrong lol?

I'd like to nominate Fenwicks All-weather lube for the same award. Only exception being that it was a bit more reminiscent of that Itchy and Scratchy Fantasia spoof but with the evil black gloop from Fern Gully:
https://youtu.be/rrbiIGXT5Hw?si=ffuclk_tUwOyhK2I

Maybe you're holding it wrong lol?

Yeah, this sounds like a skill issue. Wipe off the excess and you'll be fine.

Have you met the general public?

Wipe off the excess and you'll be fine.

Certainly helps, but when you're dealing with other people's bikes, and other people enjoy doing way too much cleaning and way too much lubing using way too much muc-off and way to much water then way too much lube but not all the places they've just removed any grease from underneath the grubby, previously over lubed chains, just the now over lubed again but over some grubby old lube they couldn't remove chains, a less gloopy lube can help.