Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

What about a varient of the schwable g one?

In honesty I keep getting lost in the many variants... any thoughts which? I rode with someone who had g-one bite the other day but not sure about the balance between rolling and shedding mud/leaves which is inevitably about to be needed.

I got a bike with the bite. I found they gripped well for what they are and were pretty strong. They're no XC tyre but then they roll ok too. I also find they are good diameter and so instal quick and easy. Maybe you're asking too much of a tyre though, to grip in mud/leaves and roll well!

More about shedding the mud more than gripping, and just not MTB levels of rolling resistance rather than rolls like a road tyre. I guess anything with wider spaced tread will do the mud shedding. Maybe the bite then, given they're not cripplingly expensive unlike the Herse.

Tbh @giofox is the one to ask. He lives for shit from a butt riding.

WTB resolute

Sounds like a discussion for this thread

But generally you want a somewhat continuous or closely spaced thread on the center, with wider spacing on the shoulders. The center gives you good rolling, the sides shed the mud.

Vittoria Terreno Mix would be my suggestion

I have Bites on my 'off road' wheelset at the moment and the road feel is good enough that I'm generally too lazy to switch the wheels over for commuting

Been riding with Umtanum Ridges for a while now. Had schwalbe thunder burts previously which are considered one of the best rolling mtb tires. I wouldn't say I noticed a difference after switching to Umtanum Ridges (got an extralight version).

Vittoria Terreno Mix

They don't seem nearly expensive enough for gravel biking

OK, well that's good to know. I've gone endurance plus, partly because of availability and partly because I don't want them destroyed the first time I ride them.

Vittoria Terreno Mix

They don't seem nearly expensive enough for gravel biking

They also don't have tan walls. I "raced" the Wet version at Crossmass many years ago. They were very good in the slushy nonsense.

For whatever reason they have been discounted for the last few months, even the top spec ones, which is great! Usually hover around the £35 mark, but yeah, half of Rene Herse

Speaking of tires - I wonder how true are tests on bicyclerollingresistance website

What got my attention is that these schwalbe thunder burts have a 20.2w rolling resistance

While these rene herses that appear to be almost slick have 21.2w rolling resistance.

So the heaviest, worst slick city tyre you can find is going to be faster than that Thunder Burt? Of course not, because knobs/tread isn’t the only factor that makes a tyre fast or slow.

Anecdotally, my friend has a set of Thunder Burts, and they roll ridiculously well. Maybe RH tyres just aren’t that great. 🤷

Smaller surface area in contact with the road? Harder rubber?

panaracer tyre rebadged and jacked up in price 3x is shit shocker!

I heard that they're not reliable tests as they're done on a drum, not real world roads so the suppleness etc works against them. Eg higher pressure has less resistance, but we know now that high pressure is slower in real world conditions.

Don't know if that's true or not.

Also BRR tests are done in a controlled environment which doesent replicate IRL in most circumstances, its comparing apples to oranges with tyres like those. Having said that, fast XC tyres are surprisingly fast and capable on road, you just kill them quicker as they are fragile

Ted vs Jan gravel bikes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnO-KKe509A

Found this pretty informative on the topic. Also, that's the only person on planet earth that could almost convince me to spend £100 on 2 bottle cages. I was fascinated by the work that goes into making them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuxUWFziuGI

I thought he'd been cancelled

Out of the loop on that one, whats the story?

High pressure isn't slower in real world conditions. It only is if the tires are bouncing about in bad roads.

in bad roads

So the real world.