Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

this is quite long and low

Get out

That chainkeeper won't do shit, it's upside down lel

Condor Bivio are rather close to road bikes

that's why I quite like the look of it.

I chose the Grail because the review sites seem to love it, BikeRadar put it top of their list of best gravel bikes
https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/best-gravel-bikes/

The Cannondale Topstone is another popular one and that has even slacker angles, 71.2 deg head tube in size large. I have no positive comments about the slack head tubes on the Crux and Super X, I mean it must work for some people but I find the handling weird when you get to 71 degrees like the Super X.

It seems like "gravel" bikes are getting further and further away from road bikes, I guess as manufacturers try and differentiate themselves by having more mounts, more space for bags, more complience, more clearance etc. There's definitely a market for bikes you can build up like this

I just don't think it's nevessary for people who do road rides with a bit of mud thrown in.

Why? This has the same S/R than the original MTB it's based on. Would they ride the same?

Anyway...

Aah you found one with only 1 bb, I was counting from the bottom one. when there's 2.

While you're all talking about angles I'm out getting faster on whatever bike...

(yeah, sure hippy, we all know you're getting drunk and fatter you bullshitter)

Interestingly I have that frameset, and chose it for being not too far removed from a road bike. That said, the 'road bike' was a 2015 croix de fer (pre long tt short stem geo change) but so far it's been exactly what I was looking for. Nimble enough on the road, winds up to speed well for my tarmac commute. Swap to 650x2.2 for the gvnarvel on the weekend, two-wheel drift past people on full-sussers while laughing my head off. In anti-gravel stylings I run 50/36 chainrings

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For Hippy, replace gear ratios, bike geo and my arkose with pie, pies and pies

No beer?

The last 3 pages are a total write off

I rode da gravelz n all i gotz was apicot piez. where da applez!

Would.

I once rode a proper CX bike on the road. It was fucking horrendous. The new Bivio looks really nice. Condor are making nice bikes at the moment across the board, actually.

It was fucking horrendous.

Yes, but we're trying to move on.

I have no positive comments about the slack head tubes on the Crux and Super X, I mean it must work for some people but I find the handling weird when you get to 71 degrees like the Super X.

It seems like "gravel" bikes are getting further and further away from road bikes

Yeah, I like a bit steeper angle for road riding too. So those two cross bikes wouldn't be my choice, though for actual cx races sure. Neither would one of the high stack drop bar mtbs. And cx race bikes might miss bottle and guard mounts.

agreed, the bivio does look pretty nice.

any pics of yours @h2o ?

lauf say it's designed around a shorter stem so add some reach to your usual size

I didn’t notice the two pages of detritus after the initial discussion started 😂

It's always difficult when people are wrong on the internet.

Who was wrong?