Primary Fades - Dave Lloyd 753 -> Serotta tri-colorado

Starting this thread as a place I can hopefully get some advice and guidance on building this up as apposed to clogging up the main CP thread asking stupid questions.

First of all, the paint has seen better days, at some point it looks like the seat collar has been touched in with a brush and some emulsion. I'm undecided if i should build it up first and then get it painted at a later date or just go all out and send it off to be painted straight away. All these Talbots appearing on the forum with wishbones stays and rad fades has got me thinking.

Build wise I'm thinking all black parts and a modern groupset. This is with the assumption its 130 spaced and takes 700c wheels. I'm not on a massivly strict budget but at the same time I won't be spending loads. I have a few things in the garage that could come in usefull for the build (bars, stems, saddle etc).

I'll get some better pictures up once it arrives and hopefully a list of parts i'm thinking of, and then you can all tell me where I'm going wrong.

P.S.
I have never built a road bike, I have no idea what I'm doing.

Probably a good idea to build first and paint later: make sure everything fits as it should and get some practice.

Good advice here about bringing back tired paint.

PS Didn't I read elsewhere that this takes 650 wheels?

P.S.
I have never built a road bike, I have no idea what I'm doing.

Get a 700c wheel in there asap. You should really clear the wheel size thing up before getting carried away with anything else :)

Cheers for the link, and luckily I have all of the supplies needed in my car cleaning kit. I'll give it a go.

Some confusion about the wheel size at the moment. In the pictures and given the size (53 st ctc, 59 st ct, 56 tt ctc) it looks like it might be 650c, but this may be a camera trick. Seller has since replied to me stating its for 700c wheels but the original advert was basic at best and I'm waiting for it to arrive before I'm convinced. Obviously I hope it is 700c.

Isn't this a triathlon specific model? slevlessengers had a thing for 650 around the time this was built.

On the bright side, a pair of 650 trispokes can be had for cheepz...

Looks like it is probably one of these... https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/265581/

If it is, is it wrong for me to build it with drops? Will the geo be weird if built as a conventional road bike?

Edit: this also means it is likely to be 650c. I wish the bloody thing would turn up already!

There are a pair of 650c HED3s going on here... DO IT.

YES! not enough rad 650c ,sick fadez, double spock , tri road bikes around

If it is 650c (571 mm), you might consider building a wheelset based on a 26" modern MTB rims (559 mm, wider rim, wider tire, low spoke count would look cool). It will definitely be cheaper, make you tire choice easier and should be OK with geo, clearences and brake reach (stuck in a 26" MTB wheels with no tires mounted to check this).
The geo looks quite challenging for a road build, but with a layback seat post might be ok - you might end up with a big saddle to bar drop depending on how much seatpost you need showing. What groupset are you considering?

There's a 650c Lloyd currently on sale here. Looks nice once complete.
http://www.lfgss.com/conversations/265581

I saw those, really tempted but should probably wait for the frame to arrive first.

26" MTB rims is probably a good idea, and no doubt cheaper than a pair of HED's. tyre choice for 650c clinchers appears to be somewhat limited though. would 650x23 be too small for a wide MTB rim?

again this is all speculation at the moment until the frame arrives, hopefully this week, I have a tracking number now but the parcelforce website still isnt showing anything.

geo should be ok, i hope, i'm currently riding 56.5 square fixed so this won't have masses of seatpost showing above the seattube extention.

groupset wise I was looking at Black 105, or something Sram. mainly based on looks and price.

I think its double 650c, but will be rad either way tbh. Looking forward to the progress.

650x23c tire won't work on the MTB rim - MTB rim is 559mm and 650c is 571mm. There is only two tires on the market bigger then 650x23c and both of them are only available in USA and some frames with tighter clearences might not even take them.
There is plenty of road tires for standard MTB rims (559mm), a nice comfy 25mm tire on a wide rim (would probably measure 26-27mm once mounted) would probably give you nice tight clearences. You should still check if the brake reach will be fine (the brake pads will need to sit only 6mm lower then with 650c rims).
Silver seat post and stem, compact bars, black saddle and tape (maybe even some colored tape to match the frame), tan wall tires and black 105 would look ace IMHO!

sorry, I was confused with 29er and 700c. I should of checked with Sheldon first http://sheldonbrown.com/26.html

I already have black seat post and stem(kalloy i think), compact bars (deda piega), black saddle (fizik kurve) and tape (fizik) in the parts bin.

I have these Roval 650c clinchers for cheapz if you might need it

^ cheers, I might me in contact.

So, frame arrived today, 650c as expected. Paint has seen better days and the decals are cracked and fragile. I'm gonna have a go at cleaning it up over the weekend. Tried fitting a MTB 26er front wheel but the axle was too big, still tempted by that idea, unless anyone knows or any easily available 650c clincher rims in black?

That's a sexy wishbone you got there!
I'm selling a pair of 650c HED3s here if you're interested: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/264895/#comment12202311
Would hate to split them and they would look lovely on your frame. The price is negotiable.

Paint doesn't look at all bad for an older used bike?

Gutted about wheel size, surely an offer of £350 for those twin crincher heds is in order? Could be rad super rad!

As I said...
DO IT.

paint is mint! Regarding the wheelset - Mavic XM719 to 5800 hubs and black competition spokes > ca. 170 GBP, even if you never tried wheelbuilding you can lace it yourself and let a friend or LBS tension it for you. Not that HEDs wouldn't look sick, but if you are on a budget this is a sound option for a bombproof and good looking wheelset!

What good are mountain bike disc rims to him?!

There is a rim brake version.