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the training miles are just a theatre

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personally I think the simplest explanation will be the real one.

Which is that Froome took his usual dose of salbutamol, and his body didn't process it before his test. There's already evidence in the public domain that shows this is possible.

The whole point of a Grand Tour is that it pushes your body to it's limits, maybe one of the things that degrades is the body's ability to process salbutamol.

Who knows, but to see this as some part of a larger doping conspiracy is ridiculous - it's salbutamol, not EPO or HGH or CERA or some cutting edge gene therapy, an easily detected substance, which has virtually no performance enhancement and was taken by someone who knew he was going to be tested.

Has anyone, other than some listener to the cycling podcast, verified this theory that he's replicating a GT? He did an extra week for a start.

He's training, he's a multiple GT winner riding for a team that is known to train their riders heavily. For all we know that could be his normal January training load.

He's actually replicating every member of the team; 27 weeks of training so that when the UCI, still determined to stop Sky dominating, cut team numbers to 1, he'll be ready.

Inrng says that the rules of adverse findings means that the results of the race that he was tested at would be scrubbed, but he would keep the world TT silver medal, and possibly the results of the Giro and Tour even if he were to be found guilty and served a ban.

Perhaps a reason to drag things on?

simplest explanation will be the real one

Sky’s saving the best for last, as it were.

“He’s an alien”

Err... Michael Barry

There's already evidence in the public domain that shows this is possible.

Is there? Why is he working so hard to prove his personal case then? WADA seems to have pretty high limits for stuff to ensure lack of false positives so if there was evidence that the limits were unsuitable, why was there no mention of adjustments being made before this particular case? Got links to where examples of a legal intake result in an illegal excretion?

He never tested positive in his career. His confession was about doping prior to his time at Sky.

Inrng did an article on this, showed a study where doses in quick succession took the amount secreted well over the limit.

"Virtually no performance enhancement" isn't necessarily correct-there's several studies showing it does if taken orally, resulting in an increase of sub threshold power output, it's just that they don't understand the physiological reasons for this.

Again, Froome's urine samples through the Vuelta and similar GT's should show how his body reacts to taking it over a period of time far more reliably than anything else, unless of course he just took too much which is the simplest reason from where I'm standing.

Have we not had this graph in here? INNOCENT! #justiceforfroomedog

It's only been posted about 63 times already.

Okay Dave Brailsford.

Does "never tested positive" beat "banned after he admitted doping" in Dopers Top Trumps?

I don’t know, but I don’t see how you can stick the blame on Sky for someone doping at a team he was riding for before Sky existed.

Do we call all Mitchelton-Scott riders dirty cheats because their management is knee deep in dirty cheats, including the only person implicated in both the Festina affair and Operacion Puerto?

Top mud slinging. Did Servais Knaven ride clean through his career?

Are you kidding? Domo Farm Frites was born out of Mapei and included Museeuw...

This http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/ ?

The first study athlete had taken 900 micrograms within 12hr, in excess of the 800/12hr WADA limit and rightly failed their urine test.
http://www.doping.chuv.ch/files/salbutamol_03.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24518370) has athletes inhaling double the permitted dose of 800/12hr and some testing over the 1000 ng/mL urine limit but seems to make no mention of anyone failing the test having taken a legal (800/12hr) dose.

which has virtually no performance enhancement

From the same study, linked to by INRNG:
"Salbutamol measured in urine is considered as stimulant when the concentration is higher than 100ng/ml and it is considered to have an anabolic effect when the concentration is higher than 1000ng/ml"

http://www.doping.chuv.ch/files/salbutamol_03.pdf
The graph you are showing has the athlete taking 900mcg beforehand. That's an illegal dose.

In the competition test they failed, they tested at 8000ng/ml.

You know it's only Sky that cheat and no one from Australia or riding for an Australian team would never ever ever do anything wrong. They're beautiful little angels robbed by cheating Europeans at every turn. #justiceforantipodeans

Somebody say 'frites'?

Not sure where to put this, but both Charlie Tanfield and Dan Bigham from Team KGF have been selected to represent GB at the track worlds at the end of the month.

Given all the noise on Twitter recently, they wouldn't want you to put it in 'Pro-cycling thread'

Awesome.