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Stick with Ardennes, the benefit of the wider rims outweigh the R-sys, especially with 25mm.

Stick with Ardennes, the benefit of the wider rims outweigh the R-sys, especially with 25mm.

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You will notice that going up an unevenly surfaced climb where the wheel will be bouncing less up/down and sapping your energy

So the r-Sys aren't as stiff as they make out?

Ardennes on 25's better?

Yes, because it allow you to ride at a lower pressure without feeling the tyres squirming, especially when climbing, on top of what ma9n3t said.

The R-Sys is probably quite stiff, but the width will make a noticable difference in comfort/performance.

I have two wheelset previously, a Aksium, and a handbuild Mavic A719 with CX Ray/Ambrosio hubs, the latter is heavier, but it's so much more planted when ascending/descending that I have not notice the extra weight difference.

The additional comfort factor is a big bonus too, no more sore hand from the vibration of higher pressure tyres on narrow rims.

Yeah one of the first things I did when I changed bikes from the Tarmac to the Canyon was lose the 19mm tyres and go for 23mm / 24mm - made the bike feel so much better.

Ok I think were going to have to draw a momentary line under this for sale thread until I spend some more time on the Ardennes.

Thank you for all your help aswell Mr Scoble and Ma9n3t

So the r-Sys aren't as stiff as they make out?

Ardennes on 25's better?

They are not so stiff in stiff frames, also it depends a lot on a rider's weight and ridding style. I know someone who bought a pair of r-sys with high hopes, which did not materialise. He weights around 70kg and is a strong rider.

Yeah I'm just over 80kg and guess I'm kinda powerful - perhaps the r-Sys dream won't materialise for me either.

On that note aswell, I need to lose some weight.

Yeah I'm just over 80kg and guess I'm kinda powerful - perhaps the r-Sys dream won't materialise for me either.

On that note aswell, I need to lose some weight.

I've got R-Sys and new Hed Ardennes 23mm. While some of the statements on this thread are interesting, the R-sys are very stiff to the point of skittish when descending so the Heds win as they offer better/ more stability (This also depends on your cycling ability ;) ). If you go for the exalith rim the braking is unbelievable. When climbing, the R-Sys whether perception or fact seem to spin up faster than the Hed's bearing in mind they are 2-300g lighter. (my HEDs are built on CK hubs). I've compared across my last 3 bikes, an older CF SLX, Cervelo R3 SL and now SS Evo. Oh, and the R-Sys look stunning, mine are like new, never gone out of true and changed bearings once even though they were perfect after 4000 miles. But the R-Sys are twice the price.....

^ oops, just realised you've pulled the sale :) (The HED's were a bargain!)

I highly doubt you notice the bearing resistant.

Ok so Ardennes back on the Canyon with a brand new pair of Vittoria Open Corsa SR 24mm for a bit of a longer road test - don't look as cool as the Rolf's or R-Sys but a pair of 25mm Open Corsa CX gumwalls will go a long way to help that in due course - going to get out to some hilly stuff tonight and see if I can somehow get some R-Sys to test....

Its probably a good move- I hear nothing good about the Mavics... Plus can you imagine what a ballache getting hold of carbon spokes would be in another county (or this one) should you break one?

Yeah that's my worry....

Let's see how these fair....

I think the rolfs are the ugliest wheels ever, rsys look good, but my choice would def be the Ardennes.... Seriously though dick, the rolfs, why

Are you Mad? The Rolf's are one of the best looking wheels I've ever seen?!

U dizzy man?

If they had a regular-ish spoke pattern then maybe, but them spokes can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ardennes doe:

If they had a regular-ish spoke pattern then maybe, but them spokes can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Haha I love that whack spoke pattern!

Dat spacer doe

Yeah not gonna slam this one

Dat spacer doe

Nothing compare to the amount of seatpost shown.

You should be happy, he have his saddle TM™ style.

I try and have everything TM Style but sometimes TM doesn't even TM style

The saddle is in a perfect position, I have one of those I believe that is the ideal angle , why would you tilt it back when the back is meant to support you? You can see the front 2/3rds of the saddle are level... And den? Bueno pls