Cyclists stay back! stickers

Delivering materials to build the places we all live and work, building the railway network, delivering food, delivering bikes to bike shops...

Pretty much everything you do today will involve using material delivered by a heavy goods vehicle.

Like this one?
http://evansblog01.ominor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/current-van1.jpg
Or this one?
http://cnch4.com/UserFiles/image/Tesco_van1.jpg

What about london prior to HGVs? Maybe all the old churches had been dropped into place by god so none of the stone had to be transported by other means?

Delivering materials to build the places we all live and work, building the railway network, delivering food, delivering bikes to bike shops...

Pretty much everything you do today will involve using material delivered by a heavy goods vehicle.

How does that make them suitable for a busy, congested, multi-use urban environment?

Nothing you write is conversation, unless your definition of conversation extends to parroting poorly considered tropes and disingenuous trolling.

If you've had a bad day / week / year, and just crave the attention, maybe this is the wrong place for it.

Knock yourself out
http://i.imgur.com/fhtNTyo.png

Awesome!

The Oxford Tube buses have a different one on with a tick on the right and a ghostbusters on the left with a brief about keeping safe or something.

Can people please not quote trolliam1984, his ill considered musings give me headaches, he is like jeez but without the righteous indignation.

Oh the fucking irony.

Like this one?
http://evansblog01.ominor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/current-van1.jpg
Or this one?
http://cnch4.com/UserFiles/image/Tesco_van1.jpg

What about london prior to HGVs? Maybe all the old churches had been dropped into place by god so none of the stone had to be transported by other means?

Evans also use 7.5T HGVs too.

I chuckled over this on Jamaica Rd:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/104442245/2014-07-14%2015.38.27.jpg

I'm surprised the van didn't crash because of the size of that photo...

How does that make them suitable for a busy, congested, multi-use urban environment?

I didn't say it made them suitable, I was answering the question about what the fuck they were doing in London. Many alternatives have been considered: Using trains more, which limits door to door delivery, or using smaller vehicles, which would increase numbers of vehicles on the road and increase congestion.

It seems because I have annoyed people in the past, everything I now say is taken as trolling. Shame.

Like this one?
http://evansblog01.ominor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/current-van1.jpg
Or this one?
http://cnch4.com/UserFiles/image/Tesco_van1.jpg

What about london prior to HGVs? Maybe all the old churches had been dropped into place by god so none of the stone had to be transported by other means?

Yes, these would be safer. Or even horses and carts like in the 19 century. That would really ease congestion. HGVs are shit, but we are sadly dependant on them. I'm not saying this to upset people. Kazakh just said; why not reinvigorate the canal system? In all seriousness, doesnt sound like such a bad idea?

Yes, these would be safer. Or even horses and carts like in the 19 century. That would really ease congestion. HGVs are shit, but we are sadly dependant on them. I'm not saying this to upset people. Kazakh just said; why not reinvigorate the canal system? In all seriousness, doesnt sound like such a bad idea?

The one thing that stops this, or the eminently sensible suggestion of having deliveries within cities handled by smaller, perhaps electric powered vehicles, is the costs involved in transfer and handling between modes. It's what did for freight on trains fifty years ago (well, that and the fact that road transport operators are not charged in accordance with their use of and consequent damage to the road infrastructure) and what stops any movement in this direction now.

The whole thing has become predicated on 'cheap' transport provided by logistics companies who do not bear the full environmental and infrastructure cost of their operations.

Anyway as we all know the real problem isn't articulated goods lorries, it's construction site tippers. No amount of 'stay back' stickers is going to redeem those fucking things

That's how come a third of hgvs in London are empty. Operators don't pay the real cost.

After the flood things will be different, and we will all be on pedaloes.

Strong point there Kazakh.

^^Well, surely they are empty half the time, on the way back from a delivery?

Thanks for actually responding to my point Vanneau. Yes, it comes down to money. The prices of the goods we consume would increase if there was a rapid change in the way they were delivered. Your point about the companies not bearing the environmental cost, or the cost of the damage to the roads, is important. We already tax vehicles according to emissions, why not according to tonnage? might encourage the use of smaller, alternative vehicles.

Unfortunately the road transport lobby is very powerful and will easily fight its corner every time some party hack needs their mortgage paid off. It's been that case since the early 1960s or so.

Eventually it'll have to be attended to, but nothing will happen until the alternatives actually become cheaper.

Not enough people are being killed to make the change worthwhile, or a single politician/relative of a politician.

We just have to wait till there's enough/right people getting killed by HGVs.

Passed a little burgundy Citroen as I filtered in Whitechapel earlier today. Had a big 'Cyclists Stay Awesome' sticker on the back. Complimented the driver on his livery. First time I've seen one in the real. Proper cheered me up so it did.

It was amazing how much more comfortable I felt say infront waiting for the light to change. He might as well have had a sticker that said 'not an impatient twunt'.

I chuckled over this on Jamaica Rd:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/104442245/2014-07-14%2015.38.27.jpg
That's great. Forumenger?

Anyway as we all know the real problem isn't articulated goods lorries, it's construction site tippers. No amount of 'stay back' stickers is going to redeem those fucking things

Agreed about stickers! I'm not trying to or able to speak on behalf of past tragedies but at what point do cyclists start bearing some responsibility for their own safety?
Or is this a moot point? By that I mean are there any facts/figures that suggest what number of deaths/injuries have been down to neglegence or manslaughter from tipper drivers versus poorly educated cyclists?

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile.

The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.)

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned.

Passed a little burgundy Citroen as I filtered in Whitechapel earlier today. Had a big 'Cyclists Stay Awesome' sticker on the back. Complimented the driver on his livery. First time I've seen one in the real. Proper cheered me up so it did.

It was amazing how much more comfortable I felt say infront waiting for the light to change. He might as well have had a sticker that said 'not an impatient twunt'.

Since I also have one of these on the back of my Passat Estate daddy wagon, this post makes me very happy.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile.

The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.)

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned.

This.

A million times this.

Knowing that all of these people died because the drivers of large dangerous vehicles, with pathetic levels of visibility, were operating with far less than the required levels of attention, and without any actual or conferred appropriate levels of responsibility either before, during or after the incidents, makes you wonder how the juddering fuck a few stickers make a difference.

These stickers do not make cyclists safer. They make cyclists worse off. They absolve drivers of responsibility and impose that responsibility onto the more vulnerable road users.

Sorry I drove my truck into you mate - I wasn't looking, becuase I have a sticker.

I totally stole the post for Facebook, by the way.