Politics Chat.

So what’s going on with big daddy cum cum? Is he being pushed out or does he want out?

Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere but up in the dark north we are witnessing our own Watergate.. Latest developments..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55247449

Why does tory leadership stand and defend the undefinable these days? E.g. Williamson, that MP who didnt read Brexit bill because she was organising nativity.

Is it because there is no1 else that will take their places?

At least she had an excuse, the rest just couldn’t be bothered!

The others options were say she read it and agreed it was a good deal for fishing - incompetent
Read it, disagreed with it but voted for it - incompetent
Read it, didn't agree with it, voted against it - would of been sacked by boss

So saying you didnt have time to read it as was doing something family and religious is a great option as aligns with party values and appears you have full faith in your boss to of done a good job

It is a disgrace she can say it out allowed and keep her job

With the exception of the 2019GE, their were few constituencies that were truly marginal, and outside brexit there are few issues that results in landslide victories. The pervading image of sleaze of the John Major administration, was the last issue that gave a n overwhelming landslide to Tony Blair.

Few MPs have the grace to accept that they are not up to the job when re-shuffled, or sacked and even fewer resign, and very few exit public office.

Over time this detritus builds up on the back benches and forms an awkward squad, who know ministerial office is barred to them, and as long as their local constituency party agrees they are still sound on key policies they are immune to management.

See the ERG for more details.

There may be some 'talent' ready to be promoted, but, why waste them, and their loyalty to the Leader that promoted them while the pandemic reveals repeated Government under performance.
Far better to make Hancock, Williamson, and fishwoman, serve out their time and have a deadwod clearing re-shuffle once everyone is vaccinated and C-19 might be under control.

Makes sense i guess

I may be asking some basic questions so apologies. A policy like the recent universal credit benefits cut (£20) makes no fiscal sense right? If we can inject money into schemes like eat out to help out, furlough etc why cant we support the vulnerable? Is this purely have to do with the Tory libertarian hate towards the poor?

Yes.

Johnson values loyalty over competence, probably because on some level he recognises his own lack of competence and feels vulnerable. Trump is similar.

Cameron was similar but seemed to more come from the aspect that this is all a bit of a game for him and his chums.

Blair on the other hand was vicious with his sackings and didn't seem to worry how his underlings failings reflected on him. He just moved them on.

Basically weak

Sometimes you don't know where to even start.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jan/26/conservative-party-illegally-collected-data-on-ethnicity-of-10m-voters-mps-told

All they get is a slap on the wrist, and how is it verifiable that the data's really 'deleted'?

Basic Questions With Amey Season 1 Episode 3

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/02/labour-urged-to-focus-on-flag-and-patriotism-to-win-voters-trust-leak-reveals

Why does labour always gets caught out to out-Tory Tories?
It is literally impossible to be more racist.

Is there a name for this political fallacy?

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I am also waiting with baited breath for PMQ tributes to Capt Sir OBE Tom.

Is there a name for this political fallacy?

Vote-winning?

If there’s any possible chance of a change at the next election, appeals to the patriots who equated their current ‘leaders’ with the gift of sovereignty (however misleading) might just help undermine (the mind-boggling) confidence in and support of current Tory misrule?
But it’s a big gamble.
And my grasp of this is weak.

You don't want to win over your core voters, you want to win over the swing voters. In the UK they are "red wall" Daily Mail readers who voted for Brexit

red wall

This I thought was good insight into them.

Maybe red wall is a lost cause to further dilute the Labour party ideology?

Its impossible to out-Tory Tories

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Awful lot of people getting bent out of shape about this Labour / flag thing, which just goes to show how absolutely fucked up we are as a party.

No-one thinks that wrapping ourselves up in the flag is going to win us votes. The flag is no replacement for policy. The idea here is that if we appear ashamed of the flag, or weirdly neurotic about it, then people will vote against us. The signal to voters is 'alright, know it's been a bit weird the last few years, but we're back now, you can have a union jack flag in your window and we're not going to look down on you for it'. I personally don't think that being British is anything to be especially proud of, but I recognise I'm not the target of this approach. Voters want a leader who's proud to be British and of British values, and is prepared to fight for them, and after our worst result in 1935 years it's probably worth seeing what happens when we give it to them. It's worth a bash at least, isn't it?

our worst result in 1935 years

It's true, Labovr did terribly in the 85 AD election.

Labovr

Neat!

Live by the typo...!

They will soon be altering their name to JP Morgan Change.
I think he's found his natural home, at last.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/10/jp-morgan-hires-chuka-umunna-for-senior-sustainability-role

Glad this misunderstanding was cleared up:

"The reason we have the vaccine success is because of capitalism, because of greed, my friends." Boris Johnson

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Ah, so some of Mark's pence are in pharma?

This whole 'extra jobs for MPs' thing is such a cesspit of legalised corruption.

In Germany, they've just had a corruption affair, the 'Mask Affair' that has really shocked Germans, but that, quite frankly, would be nothing exceptional here. Now, instead of clamping down on second jobs for MPs as they should, they're proposing a register of members' interests. A fat load of good that would do.