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What leverage does Hunt have then?

She's so weakened it might be as simple as, "I'll back x in a leadership bid".

How did they let it get to the point that he had to use it on the day. Surely top level politicians can get office politics right...

Maybe he has some dirt on Paul Dacre...

Interesting article on why May’s reshuffle was so underwhelming;

https://reaction.life/nick-timothy-propped-pm-weird-plot-make-gavin-williamson-tory-leader/

What leverage does Hunt have then?

He's become rhyming slang and May hasn't.

Jeremy Hunt is Tory nobility.
Related to the Bottomleys, and a family history of oppressing the working class;
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/27/jeremy-hunt-links-to-peterloo-gagging-laws

I lol'd.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/15/ukip-edged-towards-bankruptcy-by-judges-decision-on-legal-costs

The UKIP finance stuff makes me think of what's currently happening in Germany. Many in the SPD (led by Kevin Kühnert, the leader of the Jusos (Young Socialists) want to prevent the party from going into a new Grand Coalition (there's even a hashtag, #NoGroKo) partly because it would make the far-right AfD, Germany's version of the UKIPs, the largest party in the opposition, which in turn would entitle it to additional funds to 'lead' the opposition (while it is somewhat unlikely that the Greens and the Left Party would consent to being led by them).

As Farage's recent troubles (being docked pay because one of his EU-funded staffers was working for the party and not on EU stuff) have shown, at least some of the UKIPs were abusing EU funds, and it is most likely that the AfD would do this with German federal funds, too. Among other minor priorities (getting rid of Merkel, rebuilding the SPD, turning German politics around), Kühnert and co. want to prevent the AfD from accessing such money to further establish itself. Without funding like it, such parties are in trouble.

Meanwhile, the UKIPs have voted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/17/ukip-members-vote-to-sack-leader-henry-bolton

'No one dying' seems a pretty low success criterion for an EGM.

When was the last time that the UK could be said to have had a "hard left" government?

This Government still insists on people driving and cycling on the left, if you can believe it, so if that's not evidence enough that Theresa May is as left as they come, I don't know what is.

Also, this is a good article on how privatisation is often about land:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/08/biggest-privatisation-land-margaret-thatcher-britain-housing-crisis

All power ultimately comes from land.

Here's the post I'd like some help to answer:

"people throw out these terms far right and hard right all the time, yet when i hear the policies of these so called far right people, they seem to be espousing policies that are just reversing the damage caused by the real hard left,

i think its a stitch up job, far right is something that is off the scale,

i suppose its like the way these faceless stirrers re-defined the term 'racist' to catch plenty more in their net,

i doubt many people have ever met a true racist or fascist.

jrm is a regular, decent right wing man and politician. The rest is just silly hysterics."

Just don't bother

Not sure what the question is. But here you go:

"You are of course right, people too often exaggerate terms like hard right. However, if you re-read your post you are guilty of the same by referring to "the real hard left". It would be better if we all toned down the hyperbole and listened to each others point of view."

I'm not that up on JRM's "policies". All I've ever heard is; 1) brexit, 2) trad. conservative economic policy, 3) trad. family values / Roman Catholic world view. None of that marks him out as a fascist, just a right wing (c)onservative politician with an ultra-traditional world view. Has he recently talked about rounding up refugees or something?

Anyway what "hard left" policies does this guy think have caused damage that need to be reversed? That traditional socialist policy of an open immigration policy to reduce labour costs for business? Or PFI contracts?

Other than the various limitations on civil liberties brought in by the Blair era, it's hard to think of anything you could characterise as hard left... and I'm pretty sure the DM and co were pretty supportive of those.

Given that he sounds semi-illiterate and that it's been almost 40yrs since there has been anything approaching a left-wing government, I'd be inclined not to bother.

Todays podcast is very a interesting inside look on what it is like for a conservative in the time of division.

https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily

Friday, Mar. 2, 2018
When we spoke with Representative Tom Rooney, a Florida Republican, in July, he said he was starting to feel defeated by the state of politics in Washington. Nine months later, we check back in, and he talks frankly about the Russia investigation, gun control and his decision not to run for re-election. Guest: Representative Tom Rooney, Republican of Florida. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

It's hard to believe that 10 out of our last 12 Prime Ministers were women.

Who remembers how weedy Mr Thatcher was? Also, what is Terry May wearing!?

Stolen from this guy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/04/germany-social-democrats-spd-vote-in-favour-of-coalition-angela-merkel

I think this is bad news and yet another major strategic mistake by the SPD. I am horrified at the thought that now a far-right party is the leader of the opposition in Germany, and I fear it will only deepen people's crushing disappointment with the SPD further.

A plague on both your parties.

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When did 'vile' become the de jour word for right wingers describing left wing people/views?
Also why. It's not a synonym for 'I strongly disagree with', which is how most seem to use it (with the added tang of moral superiority).

Haringey Conservatives are phoning it in somewhat
https://twitter.com/Haringey4Tories/status/989100368276672512

Literally nothing worse than a Tory activist.

Is that a parody account?

The British people are nether naive nor ignorant !
It just makes them relies how better we are OUT !!!

I assumed it was at first but if it is there is a lot of effort in making it look like a real account so I think it may actually be real.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/31/inferred-wasnt-british-tory-members-tell-islamophobia