Fixed/SS frames with TWO sets of bottle bosses, mudguard eyelets AND a back brake

That^ sounds cool.

On that front* (and whilst it remains a bodge), Richard Hallett from the comic used SKS quick release mounts on the rear of his fixed mile munching machine.

*Rear?

Yes, I use these on my custom^. Fox I'm only saying this^, or those fixed straight onto the ends up there, are a fiddle to get the wheel out - Lolo rightly says, not that big a deal. Track ends are the last of tge things I would have done on my Yates differently. First would be a second bottle mount and second would probably be a rear brake hole, though I'm not that bothered about that one.

Oh, fixed in dropouts is fine. They don't look as nice a track ends, maybe.

I only ever used two bottlecages to take an Acqua Panna around.

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Genesis Flyer? Seems a good, no-nonsense frame.

You can do a lot better than one of those Touche's.

No offence.

TFG dream machine also fits the bill rather nicely

None taken! Anything particular that makes you say that though? They're meant to be fairly light and to be fair I can't really find anyone who says harshness is a problem - the carbon fork helps soak up any bumps by all accounts. It's worth saying that my Orrell isn't particularly forgiving, especially at the front end. It is a late 80's track bike, built for track races, after all.

Dream machine doesn't seem to have any bottle cage mounts, at least not two?

Matching bikes for the win.

I'm running double brakes, fixed, on my pompino and it's great. A carbon fork would help it shed much of the weight too.

The appeal of double brakes goes beyond big downhills, it would be a boon in the wet too. I'd definitely like a carbon fork, if only for the damping reasons mentioned above.

Track ends are the last of tge things I would have done on my Yates differently. First would be a second bottle mount and second would probably be a rear brake hole, though I'm not that bothered about that one.

Thanks, it's good to have my thinking vindicated! I think if I compromised on two bottle mounts or a back brake I'd regret it later.

I only ever used two bottlecages to take an Acqua Panna around.

On hot days between stops it's handy to have two, plus one for plain water one for nuun/beer ;)

Genesis Flyer? Seems a good, no-nonsense frame.

Indeed, I used to have one! I didn't realise they have mudguard eyelets now, that's progress. I don't think I could have the same bike again though and I think personally I'd rather not have cro-mo.

Pretty sure the Kona Paddy/Band/Grand Wagons all have everything you need.

Yup.

If you're considering a fork swap, then a carbon fork with mudguard mounts and disc caliper mounts would work well in the Trek Triton Gary Fisher, ticking all boxes and giving a great winter/wet weather set-up.

So, some I've found so far:

[*]Pearson Once More Unto the Breach - £499.99 (new version of the Touché)

My mate has one of these and I had a spin on it. It was way too big for me but it's a seriously nice ride and I would recommend it to anyone wanting a ss/fixed bike.

Decent weight, smooth, stiff, practical, very nice in the flesh. In fact much nicer in the flesh than the images or name would have you believe. Available from an actual shop within reach of London so you can try before you buy.

I can believe that. It's pretty high up the list at the moment because it's the closest thing to a "road bike style" fixed/SS frame which is what I'm after at the moment, and I don't really want cro-mo because I don't want something heavier than my current bike.

One thing I'm wondering is what the differences are between the Touché and the Once More Unto the Breach. Second hand price for a Touché frame seems to be less than a third of the price of a new Once More Unto the Breach (£150, ish), plus you can get them in black, I'm not sure about that dark blue yet.

I hadn't thought of going to Pearson's for a look and a test ride. That's a good idea.

In terms of looks the 2010 Touché in black does seem to be my favourite:

I've updated the list. I've not put on frames which can only be bought as complete bikes (the Flyer, the Konas and the Trek) as it is a list of frames. I've also left out discontinued frames (Pompino, Trek District Carbon and the Cartouche).

I can't believe the dream machine doesn't have bottle cage mounts, utterly crazy.

I've also left out discontinued frames (Pompino, Trek District Carbon and the Cartouche).

Pompino isn't discontinued, they've updated it a bit and should be available again mid-December.

Yeah the Condor Tempo, it has forward facing horizontal dropouts and up until 2012 had two bottle mounts, then for some reason in 2013 they reduced it to one. I am a little bit worried about forward facing dropouts if I'm honest, but I have no experience of them so I'm open minded. Rear facing seems intrinsically more secure...

Condor will do you a Tempo frame with two sets of bottle mounts (and you can ask for the S3X cable guides to be removed too) but it'll cost you a bit more and has a lead time of ~8 weeks or so.

What did you go for in the end? I'm just looking for a fixed/ track frame now that I can fit a rear pannier rack on and being have a look through that list. Tempted by the Pompetamine.

My FXE is a year old and still going strong. For the price you can't go wrong.

Currently building up a Touche. Am I doing something wrong with the old sks bracket trick discussed above? It doesn't seem that easy to pull out with fully functioning hands, let alone cold wet hands on a grim day. Seems like it would be easier to just undo an allen bolt to me...

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Squeeze the stays together when pulling...

£400ish will get you a custom Steve Goff in Reynolds 531 with all the braze-ons you could desire.

sorry for mega dredge. but woah! what are they like!?

Hey,

Maybe the devil will take me for necroing this thread (I know, read the rules, didn't find them...) but I just registered to thank you for the OP for that list. I was looking for a SS frame with proper mudguard clearance for my budget commuter and thanks to this thread and a recent discount at planet x I am now the happy owner of a blue on-one pompino frame. Only used it for getting home (12km) but, being used to an old steel frame past few months, I am impressed how good this frame feels.
Only downside being, I have a 'main' (Alu) bike I bought a half year ago new for a lot more money and now I don't feel like riding it, this one being so much smoother somehow...

So you wanna talk about Pompinos, huh?

I'm planning a Winter/wet weather/long distance fixed, so I'm set on horizontal dropouts: right "tool" for the job and all that.

Looks like Condor's Tempo has got the second set of bottle cage bosses back.

But £750...

The Genesis Flyer looks like a good deal at £490, but I'm only after a frame and would rather spend more on the frame than middling components I won't use.

Anything other contenders appeared since this thread started?

@Scilly.Suffolk if your lbs stocks Madison, ask them to enquire on 2016 Flyer's. I just got one direct from Madison for maaaaaad cheaps. LBS might do you a deal. And it is really lovely to ride.

Thanks: maaaaaad cheaps could swing it!

Surly crosscheck ? I have mine set up fixed for wet weather commuting and long distance riding you can pick them up cheap ish frame only.

Another vote for the Flyer.

I just picked up a 2016 f+f on here and it's looking great for the monies

Just need to finish the bloody thing and ride it.....

Bob Jackson with an extra set of bottle bosses?