Blood on the streets

there has got to be a logical expaination ...

When he phones you back again in a minute to ask you to delete that post, ask him.

Was it a dream?!

Was reading the earlier chat about undertaking, whats the consensus on riding to the front of a red light with potential for cars turing left once they change - carry on up the side or go through the middle, assuming 2+ lanes?

if i don't know the light phase I'd sit behind the cars to avoid being stuck beside/between cars as they pull off.

^ This, every time.

If I do filter, I very rarely go up the left hand side even if the markings indicate cyclists should do this.

^^ Interesting thoughts.

^ No, let's prolong it a little :)

As well as pay-per-load, you've got contractors driving their own vehicles and sometimes, such as for the construction of The Shard, a continuous concrete pour takes place requiring multiple trucks to travel at speed for prolonged periods (24 continuous hours in the Shard's case!) to and from the site. A delay could jeopardise the whole operation and cost a vast amount of money.

So, let's say they can apply for waivers for time-critical work, which would then allow TFL to put up signs alerting cyclists to the fact there will be HGVs along a route for a specific period of time and to avoid the area if possible and to be very wary of the heavy traffic if they can't.

So, let's say they can apply for waivers for time-critical work, which would then allow TFL to put up signs alerting cyclists to the fact there will be HGVs along a route for a specific period of time and to avoid the area if possible and to be very wary of the heavy traffic if they can't.

Should cyclists not be alert all the time to the potential presence of HGVs?

Look around and you should be able to see the damned things.

^This.
They are fucking huge cunts mostly and are bloody every where.

Should cyclists not be alert all the time to the potential presence of HGVs?

Look around and you should be able to see the damned things.

Well, yeah. But in a hypothetical world where they're not allowed in London except at antisocial hours, then perhaps the signs would be helpful warning for people to change their routes so as to avoid them when there is a waiver in place.

Do cyclists also need warning signs that there may be pedestrians crossing, doors of parked cars opening, other dangerous road users etc etc?

Measures such as enforcement of the law, strict liability etc would probably make more of a difference.

You know the answer (good eliciting)

plan your hgv routes accordingly?
For years my mother planned all her journeys to avoid right turns. (In London, for 15 years or so).
She worked it out in advance.
Adroit, why did she do this?

^^^"Warning: dark roads and cars during early evening hours"?

Do cyclists also need warning signs that there may be pedestrians crossing, doors of parked cars opening, other dangerous road users etc etc?

Measures such as enforcement of the law, strict liability etc would probably make more of a difference.

Eh, the signs were an afterthought. The main point was that there would be a waiver system for firms that had a good reason to need to bring trucks into the centre during the day, but most everyone else would be on a Paris timing system.

Which isn't suggested as a replacement for measures like strict liability. Just a side-argument about whether banning trucks from the centre in daylight hours would necessarily lead to the collapse of human civilisation.

Edit to PS - TFL already put up signs to alert drivers ahead of road closures and other disruptions, the sign idea was meant more in that vein.

mdcc is keith peat aicmfp.

I read his quotes and it made my eyes bleed.

I like the 'don't overtake cyclists' sign that was on Tooley street during the roadworks. They should use that sign much more

I like the 'don't overtake cyclists' sign that was on Tooley street during the roadworks. They should use that sign much more

Was reading the earlier chat about undertaking, whats the consensus on riding to the front of a red light with potential for cars turing left once they change - carry on up the side or go through the middle, assuming 2+ lanes?

Do you think it a good idea to paint a cycle lane for cyclists going straight ahead on the left in the mouth of a junction for left turns?

Especially without any prioritisation for cyclists?

Best fit is through the middle of the left lane if not in the second lane directly behind the vehicles pictured.

(Once you're over the junction and looking to move back to to the left lane check over your left shoulder, making sure it's clear before you move over).

The fact that you used the term undertaking and not filtering says a lot about your proposed maneuver.

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Should cyclists not be alert all the time to the potential presence of HGVs?

Look around and you should be able to see the damned things.

It's that group mentality lemming thing. Stand at a crossing with fellow peds and step out just one step and watch how many follow irrespective of whether it is safe or not.

You're riding with a load of people up ahead looking to cross. You have green light. First person looks, sees you and decides that they can make and do but the others that can't be arsed looking straggle out slowly like extras from thriller and then tut/swear when surprise surprise there's a road user on the road that has the temerity to use the road.

Mentis absentia is a constant.

Want to know something spooky? I read a blog post that suggested lorries involved with The Shard had been involved in 3 cyclist fatalities. I emailed it to The Shard press office and asked if it was accurate, I got a friendly call from a gentlemen in the office who reassured me it was not true and they had strict controls on sub-contractors and the blog post was inaccurate, all very cordial. I thanked him and hung up, then realised my mobile number wasn't in the email and is unlisted, anywhere.

Are the Black Helicopters outside your house at the moment?

Is anyone else experiencing déjà vu?

Skydancer, you naughty thing.

Who's saying I'm paranoid

I WANT THEIR NAMES

Nick Ferrari on LBC is blaming cyclists for dying, even though in the last ten coroners reports he read out last week, seven were found to be the fault of motorists.. (That should be at least eight, as James Darby's death was down as 'accidental'.)

It's open season today..

It's always open season in blaming riders who engage in such a harmless, benign activity. (Victim blaming is also done by some cyclists who don't conform the their view of how to ride). It is a symptom of our totally motorised country. It is often irrational like the sweeping generalisations (mentioned above) about all cyclist riding with ipods and rljing and riding on the pavements (all relatively harmless activites) whereas a rant about all drivers speeding, talking on mobiles, harrassing people not on cars would be considered crazy