Kill a cyclist, get community punishment

Possibly 3.

What someone said about how most people percieve cycling as inherently unsafe and you're basically asking for it, seems like a big part of the problem to me.

And I'm sure that people just stop seeing you as a real human once you get on a bike, like you've automatically entered into a contract saying that you don't give a fuck about your own safety so don't worry about it.

Let's face it, that's pretty much the size of it. My dad always told me to ride like you're invincible, or so I grew up thinking. Little did I know till shortly before he died that he'd actually said invisible...

riding like you haven't crashed yet is a nice one also. Nicely describes the clever people who like to get close.

Also...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10650266.Driver_who_killed_cyclist_given_community_order/

Disgraceful sentencing. There are no excuses for not seeing the cyclist. A completely straight road before sunset in late May, the cyclist had lights and forensic evidence suggests that they were on at the time.

It's a road I cycle along often http://goo.gl/maps/hqAWS, it's inconceivable that an attentive driver would just drive into the back of a cyclist at 60mph along there.

I more may on the occasion ride with either one light or none

this guy is a firefighter with kids riding in the road above? he would ride without lights if they were necessary

http://road.cc/content/news/90037-driver-who-killed-oxford-cyclist-found-not-guilty-dangerous-driving-guilty

For instance, if the weather on the day of the crash had been good, there may have been enough light at the time that the sun was setting on May 24th 2012 (20:59)

"The 30-year-old lock worker said he had his car lights on at the time of the crash (variously reported as 8:59pm to 9:15pm) but said that Mr Wilkins did not have lights on his bike."

If you're driving carelessly and you kill someone is that not the very definition of dangerous driving?

And..

"he said that Mr Wilkins did not have lights on his bike"
vs.
"But police vehicle examiner Phil Balderstone said the bike’s light had probably been on at the time of the crash"

Long, straight road but didn't see the rider, even with eyes firmly on the sandwich road.

I better go fit reflectors on my pedals. Those are sure to save me from sandwich eating drivers.

I witnessed a guy whom got ploughed really heavily from behind by a bloke on a mini-bus.

He was eating a McDonald burger while driving and did not see the cyclist as it was obstructed by his burger.

seems a reasonable excuse

From the news thread but also appropriate here: http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10711045.Car_driver_hit_cyclist_and_drove_off/?ref=mr

Guilty of dangerous driving, using his car as a weapon = 200 hours community service.

link from the same page
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10675778.Woman_hit_cyclist_then_drove_off_with_bike_wedged_under_bonnet/?ref=ar

Mr Bristow, 44, said he landed on her bonnet and his head smashed her windscreen before he was thrown to the ground. As she drove off without stopping, he saw sparks flying from her VauxhallCorsa. Scott claimed she did not see Bristow either before the crash or while he was on her bonnet,

She was fined £500 and ordered to pay £500 prosecution costs and a £38 statutory surcharge.

I think this is the cleanest way to get rid of that irritating neighbor...

I witnessed a guy whom got ploughed really heavily from behind by a bloke on a mini-bus.

He was eating a McDonald burger while driving and did not see the cyclist as it was obstructed by his burger.

Not the right place for such blatant euphs.

Ewww... voyeurism of the third kind.

what's an euph?

...or possibly short for euphemism. Frankly I'm not exactly sure myself, but I would like to take this opportunity to blow my own horn.*

*Not a euph.

oooh, mind out

and we've ruined the most serious thread.

to bring it back on its course...

I can see why very light/none prison prison sentences are given out to family people with no priors who dont hit&run away,

but how can the driving punishment be so small ?
the minimum should be to have to be retested for a drivers license
and several years of not being able to drive if ever again

when you kill someone with a car it should be brought into question if you will ever drive again rather than when and i think thats common sense

and brings to the right kinda of light the responsibility of controlling half a tonne of metal

Driver reeducation should involve 1 hour, a football field, the killer on a Boris bike, 10 cyclists and or victim's family in Porsche Cayennes, no rules.

My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius...

but how can the driving punishment be so small ?

Because a politican haven't been knocked off/killed while riding their bicycle yet.

Because a politican haven't been knocked off/killed while riding their bicycle yet.

Sadly completely true , hopefully boris would take one for the team but I doubt it

He almost did.

Latest sentence for killing a cyclist, from the BBC:

Six months suspended sentence, driving ban for a year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-25765453

I posted this in the Rider Down thread, but it seems to me one thread dedicated to driver sentencings might become a useful (if depressing) resource.