Strength / Weight Training

Rippetoe advises to use a belt on all the compound lifts on sets after warm up, I’ll listen to him thanks

Mark Rippetoe is very rarely wrong, if ever!

Your opinion is noted. 😁

Yes but I assume Rippetoe is perfectly capable of an OHP already

You’ll all be pureists one day

I’m not sure what you mean. Mark Rippetoe’s book Starting Strength is the bible for compound lifts. He provides a range of guidance for lifts etc. He includes belts, shoes, chalk etc in the book. His advice is hard to pass and, I believe, but I haven’t time to research it, that a lot of other people quote his advice as their own.
If he says something, I always take note.

Someone on here said they’re struggling with OHP technique

Someone else suggested using a belt

Learning an exercise such as an OHP with the assistance of a belt promotes bad form if you never learn it properly by developing your core / lower back muscles.

If your major muscles are stronger than your stabilising muscles then you’re more likely to injure yourself, they need to grow together, and then you’ll likely be stronger over all. Belt or no belt.

• I’m not trying to discredit Rippetoe
  

I don’t think using a belt will promote bad form or stop you from learning the movement properly.

Anyone doing the compounds should be careful if they’re not being coached, it’s not that hard to injure yourself pretty bad once the weight goes up

If you’re using correct form then there’s no reason you should injure yourself in a simple compound lift, unless you go mega heavy or haven’t warmed up properly.

If say, your back hurts after a deadlift then you’re probably doing it wrong, or one muscle group is fatiguing quicker / is weaker than the other. Some people’s solution is to throw a belt on which takes some of the strain, but this doesn’t improve the strength or mobility of the weaker muscles.

I disagree.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/weightlifting-belt/

If you’re using correct form then there’s no reason you should injure yourself in a simple compound lift, unless you go mega heavy or haven’t warmed up properly.

I agree that practicing the correct form, with managable increased loads and correct warmups are key. A belt shouldn't be a device to fix stupidity. Attempting an unfeasable weight ( for any lift, with or without good form) and hoping a belt will help is just asking for trouble.

However the Press isn't exactly a simple compound lift when you're pressing a heavy barbel above your head, trying to stay upright and not cave your skull in.
Outright core strength is unlikely to be the cause for a missed press rep as your arms and shoulders wont get a "too heavy" bar past your chin or nose level. Having the pressure feedback of a belt just allows you to feel how hard your pushing that breath and bracing the torso, so your shoulders have a stable platform to work on... which for me lets me concentrate a bit more on the rest of the movement.

Found the other vid that I was looking for previously.
https://youtu.be/tMAiNQJ6FPc

Outright core strength is unlikely to be the cause for a missed press rep as your arms and shoulders wont get a "too heavy" bar past your chin or nose level.

I wouldn't expect somebody learning to OHP will be pressing an amount which requires this support

Unless you're at the point where you are lifting / pressing an amount that is more than your body is designed to lift, then I think the support of a belt is unnecessary. Would you rather not learn to do things properly, and not rely on an accessory?

Would you rather not learn to do things properly, and not rely on an accessory?

I imagine most people would prefer to do things properly. But a belt doesn't add any mechanical advantage to a lift, so I don't see it as improper.

Its not like a squat suit, or knee sleeves that offer some rebound assistance and help drive the load.

If a belt let's me keep my back set for longer at higher intensities then so be it. Those cheating reps will be making me stronger overall, which will ultimately be driving my naked strength up too. After all, aren't we trying to lift more than our bodies are designed to lift. That's the whole point of strength training.

I'm intrigued, how much are you pressing to feel you need help in 'keeping your back set'?

This strength training lark is time consuming. Even 5x3 takes an age with sufficient rest.

Good video, impressed by the guy at the end doing 225!

90 secs rest between sets?

I'm intrigued, how much are you pressing to feel you need help in 'keeping your back set'?

3x3@ 48kg and 4x5 @ 42.5kg at the moment. Not big weights by any means, but for a once scrawny ultra runner, they are much improved from the 5@ 27.5kg that I could manage back in May.

Good video, impressed by the guy at the end doing 225!

There's definitely some good weights in there. My short term goal is 60kg

A Stronglift 5x5 query for you.
I started this before Xmas but life and stuff got in the way. I want to restart again but I'm only likely to be able to do it twice a week (maybe even once if busy) rather than their recommended number of times. Presumably I'll still get some benefits even if the volume is less? I was doing body weight exercises and kettle bellsin my garden last year but I haven't done proper weights for a long time.

You said using a belt increases your output by 25%, so the belt has a direct affect.

Those cheating reps will be making me stronger overall, which will ultimately be driving my naked strength up too.

The muscles that the belt is compensating for won’t be getting stronger. If you focused on improving these muscles rather than relying on the belt, you wouldn’t need a belt, and you’d be stronger overall.

Stabalising muscles are exercised by decreasing stability ie making them work harder. A belt has the reverse effect.

You post some real BS mate, I am gonna have to ask it..

Do you even lift, bro

You will benefit but the results will be slow. If you have the app it will guide you. I GUESS it won’t drop the weight at twice a week so you should be fine.

Yes and without a belt!!

Fight fight fight!

I’d lose without access to a belt