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Comparing this sale to the value of classic cars is ridiculous. How often do classic car collectors pay premium prices for cars they have only seen online, that have no record of provenance, that look like they have possible structural damage, where they can have no basis for good faith in the seller?
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so why these are all of a sudden blue, not white, escapes me. i am not sure Soviets could import team edition Cinellis and general issue Cinellis along the way.
Oh yes I remember this great cyclist from my country of Lietuva. Got big gold medal for pedaling a BLUE'ish laser long time. Here's a video to prove it:
Olympic Games on track. Seul 1988 - YouTube
There's also a sad story to this, cause when he won the soviets took that bike back to Moscow and there are no Lasers to be found in basements of Lithuania. There were a lot of Laser Massi Rossin stuff in USSR but all got taken back to Moscow... Th tuk ur frms!!!
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Comparing this sale to the value of classic cars is ridiculous. How often do classic car collectors pay premium prices for cars they have only seen online, that have no record of provenance, that look like they have possible structural damage, where they can have no basis for good faith in the seller?
Oh...purlease...What is with you downer idiots...and when I say idiots its based on your continual misunderstanding of these frames...No it isn't like someone finding a skanky allegro with original square steering wheel...
It's Cinelli Laser...which if we are continuing the classic car analogy...thats the equivalent of finding a Works Cooper 'S' in a barn...it doesn't really matter who drove it or that it didn't win a rally, it's the fact that at the time they were made...they only made 300...that they were made by cinelli...that they were groundbreaking...and that despite 300 being made...not very many of them pop up for sale...especially ones that have been sitting in a barn for 30 years...
Every time someone digs out a classic piece of sporting history, ie something really fricking rare...ears are pricked...
If this was a works cooper and had been found, there would be all sorts of people willing to buy it despite not seeing it in the flesh, the same sort of fervour would be seen...
As for the remarks about it only being seen 'online', it's lack of provenance, and the 'possible structural damage'... these 'assertions' aren't really fair, as it's pretty obvious the frame is a cinelli laser, its provenance is neither here nor there as the seller isn't claiming it is a particular riders frame, and it's obviously a stupidly rare Laser...not some bodge job with a tub of car filler, and that 3 were found together adds to the assumption they are genuine. As for the 'structural damage' that again seems rather spurious to as when you look at the rest of the photos it looks straight.Claiming the seller is a charlatan based on the fact he is young and from russia is bordering on the xenophobic.
If the frame was a lemon, and that's a damned big if... then hey...whose to say he wouldn't be straight about it and offer you a refund?There hasn't been a price mentioned yet...so yes that's annoying... tho this obvious case of sour grapes just sounds like jealous old men getting their Y fronts in a twist.
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Having said that...having looked that the photos...I wouldn't be worried about the tob tube...the drive side chain stay looks squiffed...and the non drive side seat stay...
tho...that said...whose to say that couldn't be worked into the price...and finding someone to straighten it...?
what I find so offensive is that people are making all sorts of remarks about the seller that are quite frankly offensive, without any obvious grounds for doing so other than jealousy?
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I got a feeling you got some unexplainable itchy fingers on this Dammit
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Roughly the price of the new carbon one
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Roughly the price of the new carbon one
It's one of the most beautiful carbon frames I've ever seen,
but still it's not the laser
it probably will not ride as good as the laser
and it's not as beautiful as the laser.So why make a copy of the original laser when you know it's not going to be better or as good as the original.
I think that cinelli designers are just a bunch of lazy bastards...
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For Sale: Cinelli Laser pursuit
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I forgot to add to the post above...I'm thankful that his energies and recreational pursuit is in the finding of rare tin...and not stealing them...chapeau.