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subbed - good luck with this
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I have the Time Equipe pedals and the Scott Drop-In bars (TT version though, like these http://www.velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=ec8ed7ca-29e7-4d77-8591-d451c9e207a4).
I will keep you updated when I receive the stickers!
There are a couple of minor chips to the frame so I need to buy fluoro yellow and pink nail varnish too.
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Those bars are bonkers, IIRC lemond used them in 90 or 91.
Do you have the Time cleats too?
I had 3 pairs of Equipe pedals up until a couple of months ago, couldn't find the cleats so I gave up and flogged the pedals!!My brothers and I were a right bunch of fanboys back then, we all had Z kit, and my elder brother had the Giro Air-Attack. I also had a TdF issue coke TA bidon blagged from a soigneur, but sadly it ejected on a descent in the Dragon a couple of years back!
One of my fave bikes though - my mate had the rival bike - Castorama issue 753 Raleigh from the '89 tour - a great era for bike design, really looking forward to how this turns out!
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Seatpin definitely C-Record and I'm pretty sure mechs are too. Lovely frame, is it as spaghetti-flexy as the ALAN? Will you be going back to a quill stem (I would)?
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Seatpin definitely C-Record and I'm pretty sure mechs are too. Lovely frame, is it as spaghetti-flexy as the ALAN? Will you be going back to a quill stem (I would)?
Thanks for the help on identifying the parts. So many Campagnolo models and variations and no reference numbers, it is pretty hard to know what's what.
It will go back to quill stem.
I rode the frame and it is unbelievably stiff. I found this in my research:
When TVT started making their own frames, the firm stopped supplying ALAN, who then used tubes made by rolling prepreg sheet carbon around mandrels ( like rolling up wallpaper). These tubes are cheaper to make but result in very harsh riding properties ie too stiff with no compliance -
Full and complete parts catalogues only go back as far as 2004 on campag webpage
For older catalogues your best bets are
http://www.campyonly.com/history/catalogs/1987.html
and http://campybike.com/ClassicEra.htm -
Here is my Z Lemond TVT
They used 8 speed indexed c-record shifters along with Delta brakes. Time Mag pedals, Scott drop-in bars ( think it was only greg who used them) Scott Stem (TTT record) someone commented that (saddle should be a Regal and the handlebars would have been wrapped in white benotto tape and the drop ins finished with black electrical tape and Scott Stickers) Defo correct with the bar tape, but I think in those day riders used saddles of there own choice?
http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=235545This is an earlier TVT used by The La Vie Claire team 1987
http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=203580hope thats of some help. I do have a few pairs NOS TIME Equipe Pro (white ones) boxed with the cleats.
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^ I've just had a quick look at your stable mister stringfellow.
utterly obscene..... Any one of these bikes and I'd feel like my life was complete!
1987 Colnago Master Superconfex Yoko Kwantum...viewtopic.php?t=203531&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
1989 TVT Low Pro...viewtopic.php?t=210889
1989 TVT Helvica (Green)
1990 TVT Greg Lemond (Team Z-Tomasso)...viewtopic.php?t=235545&start=0
1991 Colnago Carbitubo...viewtopic.php?p=1595682
1992 Colnago C40 Rabobank...viewtopic.php?p=1538033
1986 Alan Record Carbonio...
1987 Look KG 86 La Vie Clair... viewtopic.php?f=23&t=203580
1987 Vitus 9 tube Carbon. Mavic SSC
1980 Colnago Mexico
1980 ? Benotto 5000 Columbus AIR -
The seatpost looks to have an engraved logo, so it could be Record or 1st Gen. Chorus:
Record - the bolt is exposed and the shield is midway on the aero section;
Chorus - the bolt is concealed and the shield is towards the top of the aero section.The front derailleur isn't Record, the upper pivot point of Record FD is dog-legged; beyond that it's hard to say as there were just two other basic variants used across all groups: alloy arm and pivot body (like yours) or a steel arm and body.
The rear derailleur looks to be 3rd Gen. Record ('92-'94). However, the '93-'94 Chorus was quite similar: check the cable anchor bolt and if the washer has a tab to locate it on the mech, then it's Record. The '93-'94 bolt could be used with either a wrench or an Allen key.
And that Mavic headset: pure sex!
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The seatpost looks to have an engraved logo, so it could be Record or 1st Gen. Chorus:
Record - the bolt is exposed and the shield is midway on the aero section;
Chorus - the bolt is concealed and the shield is towards the top of the aero section.Could be victory/triomphe too
And that Mavic headset: pure sex!
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Thanks Rik I now have a few more rebuilds underway.
1989 7-Eleven Merckx team bike. Dura-Ace 7402 8 speed STI, Wolber Aspen rims. Almost complete just waiting for a Turbo saddle to turn up.
3 more Colnago Mexico's
One is an ESA star shaped tubing (a la Master) but this has 6 profiles rather than the masters 4.Another Mexico with 4 crimps in the down tube & 2 crimps in the top tube.
The other mexico has 2 crimps in the down tube & 2 crimps in the top tube, plus 2 crimps on the inside of the chain stays.
All three of these will be 80's Campag Super Record/Record.
I need to 100% identify the last 2 Mexico's as i think one might be a Novo mexico?A Kas Vitus 979 (later version frame with seat post held with a grub screw) which is now complete with Mavic groupset/ bars & Stem & SSC rims.
Another Vitus 9 tube carbon Frame (no Forks) anyone got any Vitus alloy forks with a 185-190mm steerer 1 inch threaded? (NB both the 9 tube carbon vitus frames I have use a 23mm seat post)
An early vitus 979 with the standard clamp type seat bolt. Which again will be a KAS with all Mavic groupset & SSC rims etc. when I get around to doing it.
good job I'm a retired old git.lol
chris
^ I've just had a quick look at your stable mister stringfellow.
utterly obscene..... Any one of these bikes and I'd feel like my life was complete!
1987 Colnago Master Superconfex Yoko Kwantum...viewtopic.php?t=203531&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
1989 TVT Low Pro...viewtopic.php?t=210889
1989 TVT Helvica (Green)
1990 TVT Greg Lemond (Team Z-Tomasso)...viewtopic.php?t=235545&start=0
1991 Colnago Carbitubo...viewtopic.php?p=1595682
1992 Colnago C40 Rabobank...viewtopic.php?p=1538033
1986 Alan Record Carbonio...
1987 Look KG 86 La Vie Clair... viewtopic.php?f=23&t=203580
1987 Vitus 9 tube Carbon. Mavic SSC
1980 Colnago Mexico
1980 ? Benotto 5000 Columbus AIR -
Could be victory/triomphe too...
Didn't know that: looks as if Chorus 1G inherited it.
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A Kas Vitus 979 with full mavic.... - now there's a way to spend the retirement fund!!!
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Actually, looking at the "Dismantling in progress:" photo, you can see the post's seat clamp more clearly and it is Record.
Not sure if it does have an engraved logo, but Record came both with and without.
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Stickers have arrived!
I gave the frame a pre-clean and will properly polish it with scratch remover on the tubes and metal polish on the lugs.
The current TVT stickers have been baked in the sun are are a mission to remove - hairdryer + WD40 so far but I could do with advice if there is a better way to remove them...
I have bought some fluoro nail varnish for touch ups.
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Components have been cleaned, fork stickers have been applied:
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130513_075659_zps9cc7d494.jpg
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1990 Tour de France Team Z Greg Lemond TVT92 Carbon
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@Vince
My brother came to visit me last weekend and brought an old unfinished project with him that we had in the shed.
Don't be fooled by the 1990's fluoro colours, this is a beast of a bike:
A 1990 Team Z TVT92 carbon, 56cm square.
Here is the real one he rode to victory:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/archive/06bicycles/lemondTVT90TdF.html
Here is the bike as it currently stand - it is a mix of parts as it has been (untastefully) upgraded through the year. It is a right mess at the moment as the wheel run a 9 speed Shimano cassette so not too sure where that came from.
Nice 25mm Campagnolo Aero seatpost, Cinelli bars, ugly BBB quill stem conversion
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130506_123747_zpsbd346786.jpg
Veloce 9 speed shifters, Campagnolo Delta Brakes
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130506_123849_zpsc644deb2.jpg
Dismantling in progress:
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130506_141418_zps72260231.jpg
Then onto the scale - stripped frame with headset:
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130506_150206_zps30a704ee.jpg
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/20130506_150142_zps3aec658b.jpg
For a 1990 bike, this is extremely light coming below 2kg for frame+forks (no headset).
Next step is a good clean up then I will re-apply the original decals which I have just ordered from the very helpful DizziBird (http://www.wanit.co.uk/)
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/lasseaux/1990%20Team%20Z%20TVT92%20Greg%20LeMond%20TdF/Lemond_Z_TVT_frame_digital_black_Pensec1_zpsd8b8999f.gif
I did a bit of research on TVT92 bikes so I thought I would share what I have found so far:
*TVT means Tubes Verre Tisse - 'tubes in knitted glass'. The original frames made in the early 80s were called TCTs
The carbon-kevlar tubes are bonded together in the lugs using CIBA-GEIGY ARALDITE epoxy bonding agents.
The engraved TVT logo indicates that this frame is made from HM - High Module carbon fibre, rendering the frame a high-end product as supplied to the Pro teams. The engraving is also found on the seat lug.
The tubes used by TVT for their frames were produced by themselves in their factory at St Genix-sur-Guiers by their sister company TCT - Techniques Carbone Tisse - which means literally the 'techniques of knitting carbon.'
There are seven layers of knitted carbon flexible 'stocking ' in the tubes plus one layer of 'aramide' - a type of kevlar fibre that resists shocks and breakages. The stockings are slipped over a steel mandrel which is then held in a split two-part steel mould that is shaped to the size and finish of a cycle frame tube. Epoxy resin is forced by a process called RTM - resin transfer moulding into the mould and around the stockings until the mould is full and all voids filled too to avoid any weakening bubbles. The moulds are set aside for the resin to polymerise to produce the very rigid tube.
Because the interior of the moulds is highly polished, the moulded tubes require very little posy mould finishing. They are sprayed with a two-pack paint and then when that has hardened to tubes are finished by hand with soft cloths and powdered chalk. That's how the fabulous finish is obtained.
TCT (the parent company of TVT) built the first generation of frames in the early 80s. more or less to illustrate that bike frames could be built from carbon tubes. Bernard Tapie, the young French entrepreneur and owner of the La Vie Claire-Look cycle team ( think bernard Hinault etc) wanted to have his own LOOK frames and convinced TCT management to supply him with the tubes. TCT having more of an interest in producing hi-tech tubes for a variety of industries than turning themselves into frame-builders, agreed a contract in 1983 with Tapie.
However at LOOK they messed up on the construction of the frames and failures of the bonded joints was a regular problem. TCT became worried that these breakages would give tubular carbon frames a bad reputation., so in 1987 they rescinded the contract of supply with LOOK and started to build their own TVTs with a moulded one-piece rear seat-stay design. Delgado won the Tour that year on such a frame.
In the early 80s TCT had provided some tubes to ALAN of Italy for their RECORD model frameset. When TVT started making their own frames, the firm stopped supplying ALAN, who then used tubes made by rolling prepreg sheet carbon around mandrels ( like rolling up wallpaper). These tubes are cheaper to make but result in very harsh riding properties ie too stiff with no compliance.. The tubes used by Vitus were completely different in their construction from the TVT ones, being made by a process of filamentary winding whereby carbon thread was wound onto a mandrel and then moulded rather than being knitted into tresses(like stockinette). The tubes were made at Anglet, by na firm called Brigantine, I think.
The number '92' in the transfer TVT92 does not mean that the frame was built in that year; normally the abbreviated date is stamped underneath the bracket shell.
The manufacturer decided for no special reason when it launched this model of frame in 1987, to call it the TVT92.
"TVT56B"
TVT56B is the frame size. I cant quite remember what the B was used for.
and
"130690052".
The second number is a combination of the date of manufacture ie 13 June 1990 together with a sequential number which probably referred to that particular model, rather than to the 52nd frame made on that date.*
The exact same frame sold last week on eBay - pretty penny!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TVT92-greg-lemond-team-Z-1990-tour-de-france-frameset-frame-cadre-/221218031071?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item33819f45df&nma=true&si=FaB7%252FFHlFPxWLWzSu3IatJdbHdo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
************ Tour De France Update ************
New stickers now fitted, frame + lugs cleaned and polished = Good looking frameset ready for rebuilding:
***********Revival Series************
Greg LeMond is having 'hommage' bikes made. The link below is the 1990 one:
https://greglemond.com/#!/ltd1990
*The Wave of Momentum.
Wearing the rainbow jersey of World Champion into the 1990 Tour, LeMond carried more confidence than ever. As the undisputed leader of the French Team Z, he felt all of France was behind him. It was the closest LeMond would get to his 'perfect storm'. Riding a carbon bike built yet again by Jean Marc Gueugneaud, the same carbon master that engineered all of the Limited Edition models, the 1990 event marked another milestone: The first Tour de France won by an American bicycle brand. LeMond Bicycles had by then officially added the Team Z TVT model to its production lineup.*
***The 1990 Tdf Bike
*Greg, working with TIME's carbon engineer and designer Jean Marc Gueugneaud, created this limited-edition bicycle in 2013. Greg dovetailed his 35-plus years of ride-handling and race knowledge with Jean Marc's leading edge carbon fiber design and manufacturing to produce a cutting-edge road bike that's best in class, from its Made-in-France pedigree, down to its Made-in-Italy Campagnolo gruppos, all dressed in its Team Z livery. Greg and Jean Marc worked together in TIME's factory in Lyon, France to create a modern, limited-edition carbon machine reflective of their creative relationship and Greg's love for the Tour de France, which, like his pursuit for technological excellence, has never waned.
*The 1990 Tdf Tour
Resplendent in the rainbow jersey of the reigning world champion, Greg enters the 1990 Tour a bit overweight and under trained, partly due to fulfilling his world champion duties in the off season and recurring mononucleosis. Now riding for Team Z, Greg and his crew play it cool in the first couple weeks, as the leader's yellow jersey is swapped from the backs of the original breakaway group of four who gained more than 10 minutes on the peloton following Stage 1. Bauer, now riding for 7-Eleven, wore the leader's yellow jersey through Stage 9, when Greg's teammate Ronan Pensec took over for two stages. The Italian upstart Claudio Chiappucci wore yellow until Stage 20, the final time trial. Greg played his cards to perfection and wore yellow into Paris a third and final time in his 14-year career, vaulting the iconic cartoon Z into the stratosphere, and onto the colorway of the 1990 Ltd Edition model. Greg is the last reigning world champion to win the Tour.*