Tourney: 2013 UK Championsips and Euro Qualifiers 2013/06/01-02

I think it depends on how many teams the WHBPC will host. Last year it was the top 16 of the EHBPC iirc and I think Seattle 2011 was the top 24 teams from Barcelona. But because not everyone could afford to go to Seattle it turned out that anyone who could do, could play. (this may happen again this year.)

Regarding Euros, no, no final allocation announced yet. I spoke to Pajac in Vienna, and will see him again in Zagreb. They are planning to go public with all the information in the next week or two.

Most suggestions have been for about 6 from the UK.

Regarding Worlds. I imagine there will be more teams going than 2 years ago, but you might still get in anyway. And otherwise there's probably a wildcard. I'd just book it, and go, that's what I'm doing, worst case there should be pickup courts.

If we play this tournament with no intention of going to the Euros but are placed high enough to qualify for the Euros will the place be given to the next best team? Or is the format not quite accurate enough to decide who the next best team is?

I'd feel a bit of a dick stopping someone from going to the Euros because I wanted to play the UK Champs.

Regarding Worlds. I imagine there will be more teams going than 2 years ago, but you might still get in anyway. And otherwise there's probably a wildcard. I'd just book it, and go, that's what I'm doing, worst case there should be pickup courts.

What I'm getting at is - should we expect/do the WHBPC organisers issue an official allocation for non-America/Europe as a whole or by countries?

As far as Europe is concerned, might allocations be solely based on this year's EHBPC results or any other criteria than just being able to go/afford it etc?

What has happened Stateside in the past (2009/11), are there precedents?

If we play this tournament with no intention of going to the Euros but are placed high enough to qualify for the Euros will the place be given to the next best team? Or is the format not quite accurate enough to decide who the next best team is?

I'd feel a bit of a dick stopping someone from going to the Euros because I wanted to play the UK Champs.

No worries on this score methinks - apparently the EHBPC places transfer downwards to the next available/committed team and, as I understand it, those Euro places are decided on the Saturday rankings, not the Sunday UKHBP double elimination element (can this be confirmed by officials?).

Maybe the organisers can denote which teams registered are playing for an EHBPC place from the outset - I think it makes for even better competition on court for non-EHBPC qualifying teams to try and beat those who wish to represent the UK...

What I'm getting at is - should we expect/do the WHBPC organisers issue an official allocation for non-America/Europe as a whole or by countries?

As far as Europe is concerned, might allocations be solely based on this year's EHBPC results or any other criteria than just being able to go/afford it etc?

What has happened Stateside in the past (2009/11), are there precedents?

Yes, the precedent is to do it by continent allocation, and NA and EU have filled their allocation from the top X teams from the continental championship.

That at least has been the case in the last 2 worlds.

But at the same time, the 2012 NA, and 2011 EU allocations weren't filled by the qualified teams, and anyone who wanted to go could.

Either way, the organisers haven't announced anything.

If we play this tournament with no intention of going to the Euros but are placed high enough to qualify for the Euros will the place be given to the next best team? Or is the format not quite accurate enough to decide who the next best team is?

I'd feel a bit of a dick stopping someone from going to the Euros because I wanted to play the UK Champs.

No worries on this score methinks - apparently the EHBPC places transfer downwards to the next available/committed team and, as I understand it, those Euro places are decided on the Saturday rankings, not the Sunday UKHBP double elimination element (can this be confirmed by officials?).

Maybe the organisers can denote which teams registered are playing for an EHBPC place from the outset - I think it makes for even better competition on court for non-EHBPC qualifying teams to try and beat those who wish to represent the UK...

Yes, all Euro spots are decided by the Saturday rounds. The Sunday is then purely for the UK Champs.

I'd be hesitant about marking teams as going to the Euros or not before hand.. If a team has a surprising run, they might decide to go, after all.

The process will be that we end up with sorted list of teams, and once we know the allocation (which may be before, or after the UK Champs), the top X teams from that list will be given first refusal on their spots (with a timeline to accept the spot), and then we'll go down the list until we have enough teams.

do really badly in swiss.
have a great double elim and get to final.
decide to go to euros.
realise you didnt qualify.
oops

haha, surely the top 6 can't be decided by swiss rounds? I thought it was round robin?

do really badly in swiss.
have a great double elim and get to final.

The worse you do in swiss, the harder your Sunday run normally is.

In theory but not in practice.

In theory but not in practice.

I refer the honourable member to my previous statement.

The worse you do in swiss, the harder your Sunday run normally is.

I'd be hesitant about marking teams as going to the Euros or not before hand.. If a team has a surprising run, they might decide to go, after all.

I didn't mean that it was an 'official' demarkation as such, merely an indication of those already able to commit to going if qualified.

B's point demonstrates the issues embedded within this dual event concept.

As we currently have it presented, only the top six on Saturday night have a right to accept a place on the UK roster - Sunday performances become irrelevant to the qualification process.

After that selection is confirmed, there may be spots falling to teams outside this Saturday top six, although still 'qualified' by attending the qualification event. I assume then, that any other teams/combinations that do not play at this event can only expect to play in the EHBPC wildcard (unless of course all six qualification spots are not filled).

I think there should be some sort of time limit/framework to qualified teams confirming their places set in advance - otherwise travel and planning becomes too difficult for next best teams to be able to manage logistics.

It would be good to avoid last year's confusion re. wildcard places being unfilled etc.

The format won't be finalised until we have the final number of teams.

But yes, one thing I can say is that the Euro qualification won't be done (purely) on Swiss, but in the fairest way possible (some form of round robin, at some stage), based on the parameters such as courts, teams, etc...

Yes, it would be fair to assume that if you don't attend this event you can't qualify through the UK slots.

And yes, there will be a deadline to accept a spot (but of course there may always be last minute problems that can change things, injuries, changes of circumstance, etc)

I think there should be some sort of time limit/framework to qualified teams confirming their places set in advance - otherwise travel and planning becomes too difficult for next best teams to be able to manage logistics.

Yes i agree it is called the 'UK Champs'.
I know you want to plan further ahead. but realistically no one will commit until they know where they stand in the rankings. I think anyone that really really wanted to go to paris and wildcard last year would have done anything in their power to go. Anything like check the list of teams that registered. All the info was there and available. I don't think we should get too het up about teams not taking their Wild Card spot. Nobody really missed out, they just weren't committed enough to keep themselves informed. I doubt that would happen again to anyone committed enough to email the organizers.

I'm sure we will know more and more as the euro s get announced in the near future. It's not ideal this year I understand alls frustrations. I'm sure we will get some solid bids for uk qualifiers or champs or combined before the winter kicks in so were ahead of the game. I plan to go play or watch the euros whatever happens.

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