Why do people hate Scousers?

It saddens me that such mistruths are being spread about the origins of the celts.

They originally came from Ipswich in 1976. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

I think it's a lot to do with Liverpool's identity: Strong associations with catholic/irish/N Welsh/celtic roots means the snobbery of the proddy petty borgeois will always look down on Liverpool. Also it's history as a port means it's had a cosmopolitan mix hundreds of years old, whatever the ships' owners role in the enslavement holocaust.

I'm shocked just how borgeois you lot are.

Or "middle class", for those of us that aren't borgeois.

I'm shocked just how borgeois you lot are.

Hence the sarcasm, which is more of a class thing than "English" (as opposed to straight talking Americans).

Seriously, for a moment, many, if not most, towns and cities are so unappealing that as soon as any of their residents make enough money to move somewhere else they do, and then they never go back. What is unfathomable about scousers is that nevertheless they still claim that it's a wonderful city. I suppose most places are given enough time, distance and nostalgia.
But it's just not. Admittedly I haven't been back since the early 90s when the last of my relatives there died, but I constrast Liverpool around 1984, which was clean, vibrant, full of confidence, had vast amounts of money spent on it, with Liverpool 5-10 years later, which had become a festering and filthy shithole of a town, full of burned out buildings, gangs of feral kids so intent on thieving that they were banned from all shopping centres. Liverpool was the first place I ever saw bouncers at the doors of shopping centres. The beautiful dockside restoration had been vandalised and the International Garden Festival site had been allowed to go to ruin, what had been a wonderful place that should have been a legacy for all time had, through neglect and acts of violence and destruction, become a forbidding wasteland of graffiti and rubbish. And the thing is the Liverpudlians all did this to their own city. They did it to themselves. And all the while they were probably too busy blaming everyone from Thatcher to Graeme Souness to The Sun to Mancherster United to realise it.

I think it's a lot to do with Liverpool's identity: Strong associations with catholic/irish/N Welsh/celtic roots means the snobbery of the proddy petty borgeois will always look down on Liverpool. Also it's history as a port means it's had a cosmopolitan mix hundreds of years old, whatever the ships' owners role in the enslavement holocaust.

So has Bristol, but you don't here them whining on about how everyone's got it in for them.

^ and that's the seriousness over.

Serious not over yet
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So has Bristol, but you don't here them whining on about how everyone's got it in for them.

What do you call people from Brisotol? Brissas? Bristolians?

See Bristol doesn't have a such a strong sense of identity. No strong accent or stereotype. They are less identified as working class. Was Bristol affected by Thatcher's policies to the same extent as Northern cities and towns. When the main source of income (Mining and dock working, car manufactering) of its populace was taken away during the 80s?

My Dad worked as a pharmacist in Speke near the car factory serving the families of the factory workers and witnessed the decline through the 80s and the change in peoples health as more and more became unemployed. And as ever with no hope families with generations of unemployment people do turn to crime and kids become feral.

I agree with Skully. An while Scousers could have turned bitter for many reasons over the years (See above and Hillsborough etc), winning the European City of Culture status in 2008 lead to serious investment that help the city turn itself around (Even though I don't like the new centre which is one huge shopping Mall and Beatles tourist centre) and Sousers throughout have been resilient and kept up their spirit of generosity.

I think it's a lot to do with London's identity: Strong associations with Jewish/Lascar/Huguenot/Chinese roots means the snobbery of the provincial petty bourgeois will always look down on London. Also its history as a port means it's had a cosmopolitan mix hundreds of years old, whatever the ships' owners role in the enslavement holocaust.

True.

... constrast Liverpool around 1984, which was clean, vibrant, full of confidence, had vast amounts of money spent on it, with Liverpool 5-10 years later, which had become a festering and filthy shithole of a town...
...what had been a wonderful place that should have been a legacy for all time had, through neglect and acts of violence and destruction, become a forbidding wasteland of graffiti and rubbish...

...affected by Thatcher's policies to the same extent as Northern cities and towns. When the main source of income (Mining and dock working, car manufactering) of its populace was taken away during the 80s?

(Partial quotes but not intended to be out of contexr)

Interesting to compare this with Sheffield, losing it's mining and steelmaking around the same time. I moved south in the late 80's - by the early 90's the city council changed it's policy about accepting grants* and the city has since changed and improved almost beyond recognition. I suspect most industry-dependant cities go through periods of decline and regeneration - it's just that the timescales are now so compressed that it's happening every few decades.

• Socialist councillors refusing to accept aid from a Tory government or EU because it might be politically tainted.
  

I think it's a lot to do with Liverpool's identity: Strong associations with catholic/irish/N Welsh/celtic roots means the snobbery of the proddy petty borgeois will always look down on Liverpool. Also it's history as a port means it's had a cosmopolitan mix hundreds of years old, whatever the ships' owners role in the enslavement holocaust.

I'm shocked just how borgeois you lot are.

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BorisQuinn does it again!

i can identify a lot with liverpool and other northern cities being a glaswegian and living through 1 in 3 male unemployment in the late 80s , when glasgow was described as the sickest city in the western world by the new york times . i cant bear the racist tones on a bike forum ffs .....

It's not racist but classist, and links to the north south divide where northern England has been the manufacturing base for the country and that was destroyed when the Tories (representing money) decided that bolster the financial services and banking sector (mainly in the south), and the privatization of National industries would be better for their own coffers. Part of this legacy has lead to the current depressed/repressed state we're in at the moment

Why working (even middle) class people ever vote Tory is beyond me. Perhaps because of the 'immigrants stole our jobs' myth they continually propagate continually. And the fear of crime they instill

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Latitudist?

It's not racist but classist, and links to the north south divide where northern England has been the manufacturing base for the country and that was destroyed when the Tories (representing money) decided that bolster the financial services and banking sector (mainly in the south), and the privatization of National industries would be better for their own coffers. Part of this legacy has lead to the current depressed/repressed state we're in at the moment

Why working (even middle) class people ever vote Tory is beyond me. Perhaps because of the 'immigrants stole our jobs' myth they continually propagate continually. And the fear of crime they instill

agreed not racist .....

Why working (even middle) class people ever vote Tory is beyond me.

Perhaps they think that making their own choices about how to spend their money is better than having the government steal so much of it at gunpoint that they have no choice but to accept shoddy public services in place of the excellent privately provided ones they could afford if the tax rate weren't so confiscatory. I'm even more astonished that anybody who is a net contributor to the welfare state would ever vote for the Communists.

What? Basques predates Celts who came here roughly from modern Poland and Saxony pushed by other tribes.
there IS a DNA link between Irish & Basque people, also whoever said Bristol doesn"t have a strong accent? all right my lover welcome to Brisol. West country is a very strong accent.

There's also a link between Neanderthals and modern human :-)

Tribes were pushed west by new tribes from the steppes of SW Asia, so the most western bits of Europe will have have some remnants of oldest ethic groups (it's not that simple of course and I only studied anthropology of culture, not the proper one).

There's also a link between Neanderthals and modern human.

Yes, they interbred, see my post above.

My Dad worked as a pharmacist in Speke near the car factory serving the families of the factory workers and witnessed the decline through the 80s and the change in peoples health as more and more became unemployed. And as ever with no hope families with generations of unemployment people do turn to crime and kids become feral.

Sousers throughout have been resilient and kept up their spirit of generosity.

Speke shut in 1981 and the writing had been on the wall long before that. The plant was the least productive, most strike prone, and most poorly managed in the entire BL empire, and that is saying a lot. However Ford at Halewood and Vauxhall at Elsmere Port continued and still continue to provide car manufacturing, with Halewood in particular now building Range Rover Evoques, Freelanders, and Jaguars.

One car plant shutting is not about the city or the government. It's about the fact that it was a terrible car plant.

Speke

The Trans-Pennine trail passes through here. I didn't feel that it was somewhere I should stop for long.

Mind you, the bit past Fiddlers Ferry is worse, can't help but wonder what nastiness is flowing in those big pipes alongside the path.

Yes, they interbred, see my post above.

I think it was more like holidays on Ibiza than proper interbreeding :-)

Why working (even middle) class people ever vote Tory is beyond me. Perhaps because of the 'immigrants stole our jobs' myth they continually propagate continually. And the fear of crime they instill

That, and the failure of the labour party to genuinely engage honestly with the those people in the basic manner which they respond to.

But then labour hasn't been labour since John Smith...

Modern party politics for dummies:

Conservative: Fox hunting Tories
Labour: Non Fox hunting Tories
Lib dem: Tory by proxy (not sure about fox hunting because it's ....er..what is it again?)

Modern party politics for dummies:

Conservative: Communists with blue rosettes
Labour: Communists with red rosettes
Lib dem: Communists with yellow rosettes

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