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I dearly hope that those that gave the sentences have the same thing happen to their own children/loved ones.
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we = pedestrians, cyclists and drivers.
This should be the message to all road users.
Most cyclists I know were at some time/ or still are drivers themselves. I find this helped me understand both road users but people still need to be educated.
There needs to be tougher sentencing laws it won't take long for there to be a paramount set and it will make all road users think twice.
But the long and the short of it is, as has been said time and time again; Driving a car you are essentially driving something that can kill a lot easier than a cyclist.
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Sorry if OT, I just noticed TERRIBLE DRIVER SUE TREPAK got found guilty:
Drivers Knock down cyclist in Greenford West London - YouTube
I'm not that cyclist but how the blinking flip that silly cow could plead not guilty is beyond me.
That is terrible cycling in my view.
You have to take the stance that every right turning car is going to turn into you and be prepared.
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You mean like what if her child open a christmas present intended for someone else?
Dude, that's dark.
Yay, very mild curses derail.
I hope the exec in charge of this programme gets their cafe nero loyalty card out at the till, gets a stamp, after scraping around for the right money for ages to pay for a smaller more basic cup of coffee than they actually fancied, with lots of impatient people in the queue behind them tutting, only to open their wallet to put the loyalty card away and find that they've actually got another one there that's full of stamps, so that they could have had a super gramdissimo one with hazlenut syrup.
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Lucas Brunelle, the one trick pony, is a disaster. This was inevitable.
I hate the glorification of that stupidity; the guy who runs the BFF always has a massive boner for his stuff, it saddens me, it is the mirror image of macho boy racers drag racing around suburban streets without giving a single fuck for other people in the environment.
I hope Brunelle is jailed at some point in the future for taking out a pedestrian's teeth. I dont care what "line" the couriers / racers think they can see (half of them pissed or stoned), it's the cycling equivalent of "oh I can drive better after two pints". -
The Times wants to save cyclists, why does the BBC want to put them in danger? BBC in breach of own code of conduct
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Your view is...interesting. And probably best discussed in a more relevant thread.
Mike is kinda right that you should approach these junction with caution and take more stance at a speed to perform emergency stop effortlessly.
Having said that, the collision is still largely the fault of the two individual who have failed to give way.
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I'm going to a massive do full of riders tonight in 3 piece tweed, annual bash of a shop/team so won't see it, but,
The cycle forum full of paid staff doing cycly stuff attended last night was all over this, thanks for the ofcom link above^ which needs to be bombarded with complaints.
And while it can be seen as so much keyboard silliness, make it happen, the film maker needs to be seen for what he is,
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.....Having said that, the collision is still largely the fault of the two individual who have failed to give way.
Quite . . . . . . . . and the driver who didn't give way pleaded guilty and was fined. The second driver who drove straight out of the junction over the top of the cyclist and bike lying on the ground pleaded not guilty. The court found her guilty too.The actual crash sequence is used in tonight's film but not the run over. Originally the film makers said they would show how cyclists used video as a silent witness, how it can be used to lead to prosecutions. They ignored this one (and worse). Without the video the car drivers might have said the rider was all over the road, they could have said that he must have been in the wrong because cyclists are always in the wrong. Just look at the Brunelle film to prove it.
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Lucas Brunelle, the one trick pony, is a disaster. This was inevitable.
I hate the glorification of that stupidity; the guy who runs the BFF always has a massive boner for his stuff, it saddens me, it is the mirror image of macho boy racers drag racing around suburban streets without giving a single fuck for other people in the environment.
I hope Brunelle is jailed, again, at some point in the future for taking out a pedestrian's teeth. I dont care what "line" the couriers / racers think they can see (half of them pissed or stoned), it's the cycling equivalent of "oh I can drive better after two pints".
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Synopsis:
[clip of alley-cat – 0’20”]
Right, get the misrepresentation in early.
“The battle between 2 wheels and 4 has never been so intense” [another alleycat clip 1.13]
That means nothing and is probably not true. Things are much better than they were fifteen years ago.
“There is of course another side to the story” Interview with cabbie, Alfie, age 77. Length of time, cyclists behaviour, one who spat in his face, doesn’t get involved, some people can’t control themselves, want to kill the f-in’ … that’s human nature. [5.25]
Unverifiable anecdotes from cabbies, lovely.
[8.13] Back to CycleGaz as cabbie gets out. Switching between the two. Cyclegaz talking about how drivers respond when you touch their vehicle – it shows he was too close. Cabbie still ranting. “Did I over-react? Maybe I did. But I’m just going about my business” – seen getting back in cab
If the cabbie just wanted to go about his business why did he deliberately steer into the cyclist then get out and assault him? Why did nobody ask him this?
“As our roads become busier every year, the number of reported incidents between cyclists and motorists is on the rise.”
Evidence?
Another clip of driver threatening behaviour. “Dealing with any incident in our cities is getting increasingly difficult.
There we go again, no actual evidence, just lofty pronouncements that things are worse and cyclists risk getting beaten up if they venture out on a bike.
Back to cabbie.
He bets cyclist will jump lights, he does – “yes I won”. If I do that, CCTV picks me up, £60 fine. Dearth of policemen where bikes are concerned.
Any actual evidence? Like how cyclists in The City get ticketed for RLJing more than drivers do once you allow for the percentages.
20.00 Many cyclists feel the threat, even when they are in the cycle lane.[ Bus goes past too close]
“In response some are trying to protect themselves are taking over the road, even if it means annoying other road users.
"Taking over the road"? Or riding in accord with national standards to avoid dangerous overtakes?
53.55 Narrator: “Not all cyclists jump red lights, but for some it’s a way of life”
Yep, only cyclists jump reds.
Cormac: (on Brunelle) They are doing more harm to other cyclists than they can possibly imagine. I’m afraid my instant reaction to that is, do you know what, that sometimes if you get out of your car and punch a cyclist in the head who did this, it might be a good idea after all.”
Lovely.
Lorry driver: [footage of cyclist with kid on Boris bike] “How can I as a driver defend against that? One wobble, one slip, they’d be under my wheels. I’d be devastated. The driver would go through untold court appearances and stress, all because somebody didn’t act responsibly to use the roads properly”
Cyclists have a "wobble room" enshrined in case law, any competent driver would know the Highway Code- that you leave enough room for the cyclist that if they toppled sideways you'd miss them. Quite a few drivers have killed cyclists and not been charged with anything!
Cyclists aren’t only to blame, probably two thirds to blame, the Government’s to blame, bad drivers are to blame. But the answer is don’t drive a car and don’t ride a bloody bike.
Two thirds to blame? And nobody challenged that?
There we have it, a load of dangerous, ignorant, victim-blaming garbage from those world-famous experts on cycling, the makers of Cash In The Attic.
This really is shit on toast.
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any competent driver would know the Highway Code- that you leave enough room for the cyclist that if they toppled sideways you'd miss them.
Did I completely the miss the bit about leaving enough room for a cyclist to topple sideways (about 6 foot).
Highway Code Excerpts:
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Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car
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Cyclists: A High Court judge once ruled that a cyclist is entitled to wobble. Drivers should have more control over their vehicles than cyclists who are dependent upon physical strength and effort to pilot their machines.
http://www.theorytestadvice.co.uk/hazard-perception-test/hazard-perception-lessons.php
The lorry driver is admitting he's unable to pass a cyclist safely.
This is piss poor tv, it adds nothing to have drivers make up statistics and facts that blame cyclists.
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She probably still thinks she's blameless and protests to all and sundry about the injustice she's suffered. The financial penalties awarded were a joke. Their insurance premiums probably went up by more than the court penalties. I wonder if the cyclist got any recompense?